This made me soooo mad.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Twisterdog



I know that I live in a rather "backwards" state ... although not as bad as some. But, in all honesty, a boy would NOT wear makeup to school here. He would NOT have a pleasant time of the rest of the school year. I've never seen any boy wearing makeup in public here.

Personally, I have never seen a guy wearing makeup in my life (unless you want to count Michael Jackson ). He he. I don't think makeup is a guy's thing. I think it looks nasty on them..........like they're *girl-wannabes*. Don't know how people are in Florida, but around here, its something you really wouldn't see. Maybe there are boys who do wear makeup here, but none in my school. Even on girls, I don't like *too much* makeup. Just a little modest amount, to make you look *good*, but really, I don't think makeup has a place in a guys life. Of course they should be free to use it if they like. Its just that I don't like it.

Ps. Tonya, I agree with you on the black makeup thing. Everyone I've met who uses black makeup is always very down, depressed, and has a strange, snotty personality.

[Kfamr]

Wow, it really sucks to not know where you live because people seem very odd and different there, from what you've told us.

No one in my school is like that, definitly not snotty.
Everyone has depressed times in life, but I don't believe their make-up has anything to do with it.

[Tonya]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Wow, it really sucks to not know where you live because people seem very odd and different there, from what you've told us.

No one in my school is like that, definitly not snotty.
Everyone has depressed times in life, but I don't believe their make-up has anything to do with it.

Well, that is good to hear. I guess the particular crowd that I know around here is different. I don't normally judge by looks; I have a whole circus of friends. I myself used to do alot of different stuff to myself before I was a mommy. I had all the piercings, hair colors, dressed like a freak, etc...I suppose I'm still a little different, but for the most part I think I've become an old lady. lol.

It's just that one particular crowd has always bothered me. Maybe it's because I saw my brother go through some really crazy and rough times when he started hanging out with them.

[catnapper]

Ok, I went and asked my husband about this.. he's a teacher and he said that teacher was way out of line. Even if it was specifically written in the student code book, she was out of line. If she seriously thought it was a class disruption issue, she should have sent him to the office and have the office decided what to do about it. they could have sent him back with or without the eyeliner and she could resume as normal. If they sent him back with the eyeliner, then she can never ever say anything to him about it again. If he returns without, then she can send him there til kingdom comes as long as he shows up to her class with it. He said that your friend actually has a harassment suit going there.

You'd be amazed at how easy it is nowadays to sue a school district over things

[HoRsELUvR]

I think some guys look ok in eyeliner,but anything beyond that is a little extreme.The teacher definetly should not have made him take it off.He has a right to wear it, its none of her business if he wants to wear it.

[K9soul]

Sounds like that teacher just personally didn't like it so made up some bogus thing about disrupting the class. Like others have said, if it was against the rules for anyone to wear makeup that would be different but he definitely seems singled out. When I was in high school I only remember the girls wearing makeup but some of them looked awful with so much on.

It definitely sounds like that teacher is out of line.

[My Peanuts]

I'm from Chicago and a male wearing eyeliner wouldn't even raise eyebrows around here. I just graduated from college and have been in school for 17 consecutive years; it's my opinion that a lot of teachers hate their jobs. It seems that many, especially high school teachers, are at their jobs because when they were 22 years old it seemed like a good idea, but now, years later, it doesn't. Many teachers are bitter and awful. Of course they aren't all like that. I have had many wonderful teachers. I would tell Bobby just to ride out the semester because no matter what he does he isn't going to change the teacher. Remember these teachers have had their jobs for years and years and the students are only there for four years. The school administration will always side with teachers. Tell Bobby that he should express himself and an art/jewelry teacher should appreciate that.

[carole]

Hey I wear a lot of black clothing, I don't consider myself to be depressed all of the time, now and then just like a normal human being, so I don't see that people who wear that kind of clothing and make-up would fit that stereotype, maybe the people you knew did Tonya, but it would be not the norm IMO.

I honestly believe school in America should be much more stricter in their dress codes, to me its unbelievable that they can dress like that and wear make-up, apart from the very few schools in NZ it just does not happen here, its hard to even imagine kids going to school like that., weird to me !!

kay-ann I am in agreement with you on your last comment to me..

[lovemyshiba]

I am in agreement that it does sound like he was being singled out, and the teacher is in the wrong. It does seem as though she has it out for him for some reason.

That being said, I grew up in a small town, and if ANY guy would have come to school wearing makeup, it wouldn't have been the teachers he would have had to worry about. I'm sure other guys in school would have beat the crap out of him.
I don't believe I have ever seen a guy with eyeliner on, and cannot even imagine it.

I will have to talk to my sister (she's 16), and see if that stuff goes on at her school, just out of curiosity. Also, I have a friend with a 16 year old daughter, I'll have to ask her too.

I guess I'm old, I didn't know that was the newest thing

I cannot stand a ton of makeup on anyone, male or female, so I can only imagine how it looks. But, I seriously doubt it was a class disruption. Maybe your teacher needs to be a little more tolerant of other people.

As for what Tonya said about the black clothing, I have a lot of it too, but I like how black looks on me, it has nothing to do with being depressed. I know what she meant though--that whole gothic look--ick!

[guster girl]

I've read all of the posts on this thread, and, it's a pretty healthy debate. I have definite opinions on it. I think the teacher should keep her mouth shut on any complaints she may have about teaching, or what she makes or doesn't make, that's for sure. As far as her singling the only guy out in class, that's almost human nature, but, still should be avoided and definitely reported if it continues. He's obviously interested in making jewelry, and, that really should be all that matters to her. As far as anyone wearing makeup, I don't personally care. I know what I do and don't find attractive, but, beauty really is in the eyes of the beholder. And, regardless of what things were like five, twenty, a hundred years ago.....things are different now and it's not fair to compare generations. What's funny is that any generation that complains about the following generation, generally was complained about by the one before them, too. It's always going to be that way, unfortunately, that's the nature of the beast, so to speak. And, I definitely don't think that expressing your individuality is a crock, but, rules are rules. If they have rules where you're at, and, you disagree with them so fervently, go about it the right way. Petition, etc....Don't just blatantly break them and expect to get away with it or not be made an example out of or be singled out. If it's work or something, then get a different job. Like Ms. Jewelry teacher should look into doing. And, I also completely disagree with the stereotype that people who dress in all black are angry people. Stereotyping sucks. But, anyway, I'm enjoying this thread. Keep it going.....

[Tonya]

I think I got misunderstood a little bit. You guys might think I'm a weirdo, but I'll reveal to much personal information in order to explain. lol.

I hit a rough spot my senior year in highschool and mixed in with the wrong crowd. The morbid stuff wasn't as big back then. But I had a shaved head (with an exception of these stupid bangs ) and black hair. I had the piercings and wore chains and spikes. My little crowd went out of our way to look dirty and freaky. All we ever did was sit around and have these wannabe intellectual talks about how the world sucks, people suck, politics suck, life sucks, everything sucks. We all abused our bodies at one point or another. We were so hateful and pretty much suicidal. Only two of us pulled out of that and now have productive lives. The rest are druggies, in mental hospitals, etc... My best friend at the time, who was an honor student and beautiful girl...who changed with me our senior year, is now a lunatic. She just sits and rocks herself and doesn't speak.

Then, my brother (we're 5 years apart) went through similar crap. He was a perfectly ok kid, and then started hanging out with this crowd. They all painted their faces white and wore black lipstick, eyeliner, nails. They walked around in capes and misc. vampire attire. My brother and his wife are now adults and they have embarrassing scars on their bodies from cutting on themselves.

That's my only experiences with people that dress gothic. I'm talking specifically about gothic dressing, not black clothes, body piercing, etc...

I know that I am totally stereotyping. And I hate people like that. I guess I'm the hypocrite that Kayann's referring to in her siggy. If some person in goth walked by me and smiled, I'd stand corrected. lol.

BTW, look! We all turned out pretty ok! The brother I'm talking about is the one in the darker hair. Don't let our looks decieve you though. We're still wierdos.