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    I remember two PT'ers recently, whose dogs had "strokes." I can't remember who they were; they were only here briefly. After combing the internet and many vet info. sites, it seems that most vet's agree that strokes in dogs are EXTREMELY rare, if indeed they do occur at all. Here are two exerpts from different sites. There were several more where the vet stated that in all likelihood the conditon was vestibular peripheral syndrome, not a true neurological incident. What are the symptoms that Peka's presenting??? Did your vet say with certainty that it was a stroke? Hoping and praying for the best for precious Peka. Love, Sandra

    #1 Stroke in Yorkie

    Q: Dear Dr. Richards,
    My 10 yr old Yorkie seems to have suffered a stroke. My Vet started
    her on prednisone. Several friends have asked why the Vet didn'd start her on
    aspirin. Since my Vet is now on vacation, I can't ask him. Could you
    please tell me if you think aspirin is appropriate therapy? Why or why not?
    Thank you very much,

    Debra

    A: Debra-

    Strokes are very rare in dogs. They do occur but they are much more
    infrequent than humans.

    The condition most commonly confused with a stroke in dogs is peripheral
    vestibular syndrome. This condition causes a sudden loss of balance. The
    dog's eyes often have a rhythmic side to side or up and down motion known
    as nystagmus. The dog's head may tilt to one side. There are a number of
    other conditions that can also cause symptoms that might be confused with
    stroke, so it is important to keep communicating with your vet to ensure
    that he or she is aware of the progress of the problem.

    Due to the fact that strokes are a fairly infrequent condition in dogs
    there is not much information about how to treat them available in the
    veterinary literature. I don't know if aspirin is helpful after a stroke in
    dogs.

    Many veterinarians use prednisone early in the treatment of peripheral
    vestibular syndrome. I just tell people to wait the condition out. In
    almost all cases the dog will show improvement in 24 to 48 hours and the
    symptoms will resolve in a few days to three weeks. A few dogs have some
    residual signs with a minor head tilt probably being the most common
    permanent effect.

    There is a definite possibility that your vet is treating for another
    condition, so please do not discontinue the medication until you have a
    chance to talk to your vet.

    Good luck with this.

    Mike Richards, DVM


    #2 One condition that may occur in an older dog is vestibular disease, a condition of the middle ear. This will cause the dog to reel like a drunken sailor with head cocked to one side and eyes shifting around because he cannot focus. He is extremely disoriented and dizzy as well as nauseated. The onset is usually quite sudden and dogs used to be destroyed when they developed these symptoms because both owner and veterinarian thought he had had a stroke. Actually strokes in dogs are extremely rare so do not accept this diagnosis but seek a second opinion if you are told your dog has had a stroke. The vestibular problem may resolve within two weeks and any treatment will be simple and inexpensive unless there is something more serious, such as a tumor or deep infection. (From the website of Julian Norton, DVM
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    Hmm, thanks for the info Sandra. The vet didn't say for certain that it was a stroke, just that it was a slight possibility. Now I'm thinking thats not what it was.

    I think she was normal last Saturday when I dropped her off at a friend's house to watch her for the weekend. I am not sure though because I was so upset from my grandmother dying that I might not have noticed if something was slightly wrong. So Peka stayed with that woman until Monday evening when I got home. I picked her up and she seemed okay.

    Then Tuesday I had off work and spent most of the day with the dogs - except for a few errands I had to run. She seemed quieter than usual but I wasn't worried yet. Tuesday evening I was watching tv and looked down and noticed she was laying on her blankets and shaking pretty bad. I stood up to see if she would get up because she ALWAYS gets up if I move around or stand up. She didn't get up. I kept walking around her saying her name and she still wouldn't get up. I picked her up and set her on her feet and she tried to walk but fell down into her food bowl. I tried once more and she wobbled sideways. So I wrapped her in a blanket and took her to the Emergency Room. As I said before, the wait would be 3 hours or so and she was freaking out there and I was afraid she'd get more sick. So I took her back home.

    When we got back, I sat with her on the couch for over 2 hours. She stayed on my lap that whole time which is totally NOT in her character. Whenever I usually try to have her on my lap, she'll struggle and struggle and want down. She was perfectly still in my lap. She just rested her little head on me the whole time I seriously thought I was just making her comfortable so she could die. Please don't think I'm an awful person for not taking her back to the Emergency Vet that night. I thought it would be better for her to die in my arms than in the waiting room at the ER. Her health is so bad that I've been told by many vets that there's not too much we can do to fix things because she has so much wrong with her. And she didn't seem to be in pain or anything. She seemed comfortable.

    She did start to get a little better after I got her to eat a little of that chicken broth and dog food. She still didn't eat yesterday though. But when I got home from school today, she came and greeted me then went to her bowl to eat AND I just looked over at her and she's actually sitting up now staring at me like she used to !!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!! I think she might be near normal again! I have no clue what is going on with her.
    Alyson
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    She was also panting and coughing a lot , but that's normal for her because of her heart.

    (and also all day yesterday, she just slept and wouldn't really get up when I did. When I carried her out, she could walk fine, just didn't want to get up )

    Anyway the vet added some extra pills to go along with her normal ones so maybe they will help. Hehe, she's staring at my taco salad right now
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    I sure hope Peka (and Aly) are feeling better today! You have had enough stress for a while!

    RE: diapers for Peka - a friend with miniature poodles has found that regular cheap human baby diapers work very well, with a slit for the tail. Much cheaper than the doggie diapers, and these days they adjust to fit quite well. Since Peka is sort of that size, they probably will work for her...

    Of course, you might know that trick already, but I just wanted to mention it just in case!

    Good luck and good health to you and all your sweeties!
    "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened" - Anatole France

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    So glad to hear that Peka has perked up!!! You will probably never know for sure what happened to make her act that way. Maybe she was afraid you would leave her again or she was still worked up about your leaving? Anyway, I'm so glad she is better. I hope you have many more days with her. Thanks, aly, for caring for her!!!
    Save a life, ADOPT!!
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    I'm with Sue, Aly. It sounds like you may never know exactly what caused her episode. As she has some many different little issues, it come be related to any one of them, or all of them. I'm so glad that Peka is perky! Taco salad....now a doggie's gotta feeling pretty good to find that tempting! You're doing all you can, Aly...a wonderful, caring Mommy for sure! Love and hugs and special prayers for precious Peka!

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    Im so sorry to hear about Peka! glad that she's better now. how old is she?

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    Aly: I'm so sorry I have not read this thread until now. I do hope Peka is still going better. You must have been really scared and I can't imagine going through the last couple of days. I'm sending my prayers along from the 3 of us.
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    Originally posted by marysmerrycats
    Aly
    Im so sorry to hear about Peka! glad that she's better now. how old is she?
    I'm not sure She's pretty old. I got her from the shelter I used to work at. They were going to put her to sleep (without having her see a vet first) so I took her in as a foster. Looks like she'll be a permanent foster.

    She's acting more and more like her little ornery self now
    Alyson
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    Originally posted by aly
    She's acting more and more like her little ornery self now
    Hehehe, I'm glad!
    Save a life, ADOPT!!
    Sue

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    That's great to hear!

    Huney, Bon & Simba-missed so very much
    Remembering all the Rainbow Bridge Pets

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    Its good to see your getting better, keep it up

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    Here's Peka when she wasn't feeling too well:



    And here she is all better! All those towels and blankets are her beds. She LOVES to have them all over the floor like that... spoiled girl.

    Alyson
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    She is just beautiful! Glad she is feeling better.
    Save a life, ADOPT!!
    Sue

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    (RB Gaylord and Bandit, fosters who have touched my heart)

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    Peka is so cute--I don't remember ever seeing her picture before!! I am so glad she has such a wonderful caring mommy--and I'm glad to hear she is feeling better
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