Tony Blaire and the pixies

**RICHARD** · 03-30-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by popcornbird
ROTFLOL!!!!!

I'm the kind of person that has absolutely NO hate for anyone. I'm the most hate-free person around. I speak for justice, and get labeled as a hater.

there is a difference between hate and disdain......even
i see that.

**jackiesdaisy1935** · 03-30-2003, 01:30 PM

Did I miss the post or has cheetahgirl not answered Paul"s Questions? I think they are very good questions and I would love to hear the answers from any of you?
Jackie

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 03-30-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Soledad
Dear USA,

We are not fine with you breaking UN rules and then invading other countries because they do not abide by the UN. If you would like to try some diplomacy, we'd be more than happy to discuss.

Regards,

The World

Just Wondering:
Why are you fine with IRAQ NOT abiding by UN rules? They had 12 years to get it together while tossing some of their people into shredders alive who didn't agree with them. Why even keep the UN?

**tatsxxx11** · 03-30-2003, 02:29 PM

The UN has acted in utter and complete hypocrisy by not compelling Iraq to comply with IT'S own demands; by not abiding by IT'S own resolutions.

19 April 2001

Text: UN Commission Condemns "Extremely Grave" Human Rights Violations in Iraq

(Urges Baghdad to cooperate in implementation of resolutions)

Geneva - The UN Commission on Human Rights adopted a resolution April 18 condemning "systematic, widespread and extremely grave violations" of human rights and international law by the government of Iraq.

The resolution finds that Saddam Hussein's regime maintains an environment of "all-pervasive repression and oppression" through "broad-based discrimination and widespread terror."

It strongly condemns the repression of all opposition, widespread torture, summary executions, including political killings and the continued so-called "clean-out" of prisons, the use of rape as a political tool and disappearances.

Only 3 of the Commission's 53 member states opposed the resolution, which was cosponsored by the United States and over 30 other countries. The final tally of the roll-call vote was 30 Yes, 3 No, and 19 abstentions.

The Commission urged Baghdad to cooperate in the implementation of Security Council resolutions and to ensure fully the timely and equitable distribution -- without discrimination -- of the humanitarian supplies purchased under the oil-for-food program.

The resolution extends the mandate of the Special Rapporteur on Iraq for a further year, and requires next year's session of the Commission to continue to review the human rights situation in the country.

The following is the text of Resolution L.19, The Situation of Human Rights in Iraq:
(begin text)

April 11, 2001

QUESTION OF THE VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD

Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Kuwait, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, United States of America

Situation of human rights in Iraq

The Commission on Human Rights,

Guided by the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenants on Human Rights and other human rights instruments,

Reaffirming that all Member States have an obligation to promote and protect human rights and fundamental freedoms and to fulfill the obligations they have undertaken under the various international instruments in this field,

Mindful that Iraq is a party to the international Covenants on Human Rights, to other international human rights instruments and to the Geneva Conventions, of 12 August 1949, on the protection of war victims,

Recalling;

(a) Previous resolutions of the General Assembly and the Commission on Human Rights on the subject, most recently Assembly resolution 55/115 of 4 December 2000 and Commission resolution 2000/17 of 18 April 2000,

(b) Security Council resolution 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, in which the Council called upon Iraq to release all Kuwaitis and nationals of other States who might still be held in detention, Council resolutions 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, in which the Council demanded an end to repression of the Iraqi civilian population and insisted that Iraq cooperate with humanitarian organizations and that the human rights of all Iraqi citizens be respected, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, 1111 (1997) of 4 June 1997, 1129 (1997) of 12 September 1997, 1143 (1997) of 4 December 1997, 1153 (1998) of 20 February 1998, 1175 (1998) of 19 June 1998, 1210 (1998) of 24 November 1998, 1242 (1999) of 21 May 1999, 1266 (1999) of 4 October 1999, 1281 (1999) of 10 December 1999, in which the Council authorized States to permit imports of Iraqi oil in order to allow Iraq to purchase humanitarian supplies, 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, in which the Council, by means of a comprehensive approach to the situation in Iraq, inter alia removed the ceiling for the allowable import of Iraqi oil in order to increase the amount of revenue available for the purchase of humanitarian supplies, laid down new provisions and procedures designed to improve the implementation of the humanitarian programme and to further achievement in meeting the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi population and reiterated the obligation of Iraq to facilitate the repatriation of all Kuwaiti anal third country nationals referred to in paragraph 30 of Council resolution 687 (1991), 1302 (2000) of 8 June 2000 and 1330 (2000) of 5 December 2000,

Taking note of the concluding observations of the Human Rights Committee (CCPR/C/79/Add.84), the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (A/54/18, paras. 337-361), the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (E/C. 12/1/Add.17), the Committee on the Rights of the Child (CRC/C/15/Add.94) and the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW/C/2000/11JAdd.4) on the recent reports submitted to them by Iraq, in which these treaty monitoring bodies point to a wide range of human rights problems and express the view that the Government of Iraq remains bound by its treaty obligations, while pointing to the adverse effect of sanctions on the daily life of the population, in particular women and children,

Noting the observations of the Secretary-General in his -first (S/2000/347) and third (S/2000/1197) reports submitted pursuant to Security Council resolution 1284 (1999), in which the Secretary-General points out the continuing refusal of the Iraqi authorities to cooperate with his High-level Coordinator for Kuwaitis and third-country nationals and Kuwaiti property,

Reaffirming that it is the responsibility of the Government of Iraq to ensure the well-being of its entire population and the full enjoyment of all human rights and fundamental freedoms, concerned about the dire situation in Iraq, which affects the population, in particular children, as stated in the reports of several United Nations human rights treaty bodies, and appealing to all concerned to fulfill their mutual obligations in the management of the humanitarian prograrnme established by the Security Council in its resolution 986 (1995),

1. Welcomes the report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Iraq (E/CN.4/2001/42) and the observations on the general situation and the conclusions and recommendations contained therein;

2. Notes with dismay that there has been no improvement in the situation of human rights in the country;

3. Strongly condemns:

(a) The systematic, widespread and extremely grave violations of human rights and of international humanitarian law by the Government of Iraq, resulting in an all-pervasive repression and oppression sustained by broad-based discrimination and widespread terror;

(b) The suppression of freedom of thought, expression, information, association, assembly and movement through fear of arrest, imprisonment, execution, expulsion, house demolition and other sanctions;

(c) The repression faced by any kind of opposition, in particular the harassment and intimidation of and threats against Iraqi opponents living abroad and members of their families;

(d) The widespread use of the death penalty in disregard of the provisions of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the United Nations safeguards;

(e) Summary and arbitrary executions, including political killings and the continued so-called clean-out of prisons; the use of rape as a political tool, as well as enforced or involuntary disappearances, routinely practiced arbitrary arrests and detention, and consistent and routine failure to respect due process and the rule of law;

Widespread, systematic torture and the maintaining of decrees prescribing cruel and inhuman punishment as a penalty for offences;

4. Calls upon the Government of Iraq:

(a) To abide by its freely undertaken obligations under international human rights treaties and international humanitarian law to respect and ensure the rights of all individuals, irrespective of their origin, ethnicity, gender or religion, within its territory and subject to its jurisdiction;

(b) To put an end to all summary and arbitrary executions and to ensure that capital punishment will not be imposed for crimes other than the most serious and will not be pronounced in disregard of the obligations assumed under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the provisions of United Nations safeguards;

(e) To bring the actions of its military and security forces into conformity with the standards of international law, in particular those of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights;

(d) To cooperate with United Nations human rights mechanisms, in particular by inviting the Special Rapporteur to visit the country and allowing the stationing of human rights monitors throughout Iraq pursuant to the relevant resolutions of the General Assembly and the Commission;

(e) To establish independence of the judiciary and abrogate ail laws granting impunity to specified forces or persons killing or injuring individuals for any purpose beyond the administration of justice under the rule of law as prescribed by international standards;

(f) To abrogate all decrees that prescribe cruel and inhuman punishment or treatment, including mutilation, and to ensure that torture and cruel punishment. and treatment no longer occur;

(g) To abrogate all laws and procedures, including Revolution Command Council Decree No. 840 of 4 November 1986, that penalize free expression, and to ensure that the genuine will of the people shall be the basis of authority of the State;

(h) To ensure free exercise of political opposition and prevent intimidation and repression of political opponents and their families;

(i) To respect the rights of all ethnic and religious groups and to cease immediately its continued repressive practices, including the practice of forced deportation and relocation, against the Iraqi Kurds, Assyrians and Turkmen, in particular their deportation from the regions of Kirkouk and Khanaquin, and against the population of the southern marsh areas, where drainage projects have provoked environmental destruction and a deterioration of the situation of the civilian population, and to ensure the personal integrity and freedoms of all citizens, including the Shia population;

(j) To cooperate with the Tripartite Commission and its Technical Subcommittee to establish the whereabouts and resolve the fate of the remaining several hundred missing persons, including prisoners of war, Kuwaiti nationals and third country nationals, victims of the illegal Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, to cooperate with the Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances for that purpose, to cooperate with the High-level Coordinator of the Secretary-General for Kuwaitis and third-country nationals and Kuwaiti property, to pay compensation to the families of those who died or' disappeared in the custody of the Iraqi authorities, through the mechanism established by the Security Council in resolution 692 (1991) of 20 May 1991, to release immediately all Kuwaitis and nationals of other States who may still be held in detention and inform families about the whereabouts of arrested persons, to provide information about death sentences imposed on prisoners of war and civilian detainees and to issue death certificates for deceased prisoners of war and civilian detainees;

(k) To cooperate further with international aid agencies and non-governmental organizations to provide humanitarian assistance and monitoring in the northern and southern areas of the country;

(l) To continue to cooperate in the implementation of Security Council resolutions 986 (1995), 1111 (1997), 1143 (1997), 1153 (1998), 1210 (1998), 1242 (1999), 1266 (1999), 1281 (1999), 1302 (2000) and 1330 (2000), as well as to cooperate, together with all concerned, in the implementation of the humanitarian sections of Security Council resolution 1284 (1999), to continue its efforts to ensure fully the timely and equitable distribution, without discrimination, to the Iraqi population, including in remote areas, of all humanitarian supplies purchased under the oil-for-food programme, in order to address effectively the needs of persons requiring special attention, such as children, pregnant women, the disabled, the elderly and the mentally ill, among others, further to facilitate the work of United Nations humanitarian personnel in Iraq by ensuring the free and unobstructed movement of observers throughout the country; as well as their free access, without any discrimination, to . all the population, and to ensure that involuntarily displaced persons receive humanitarian assistance without the need to demonstrate that they have resided for six months at their places of temporary residence;

(m) To cooperate in the identification of the minefields existing throughout Iraq, with a view to facilitating their marking and eventual clearing;

5. Decides:

(a) To extend the mandate of the Special Rapporteur, as contained in Commission resolution 1991174 of 6 March 1991 and subsequent resolutions, for a further year and requests the Special Rapporteur to submit an interim report on the situation of human rights in Iraq to the General Assembly at its fifty-sixth session and to report to the Commission at its fifty-eighth session and also to keep a gender perspective in mind when seeking and analyzing information;

(b) To request the Secretary-General to continue to give all necessary assistance to the Special Rapporteur to enable him to discharge his mandate fully, and to approve the allocation of sufficient human and material resources for the sending of human rights monitors to such locations as would facilitate improved information flow and assessment and help in the independent verification of reports on the situation of human rights in Iraq;

(c) To continue its consideration of the situation of human rights in Iraq at its fifty-eight session under the same agenda item.

**jackiesdaisy1935** · 03-30-2003, 04:54 PM

ROTFLOL!!!!! FROM POPCORNBIRD

You think I'M filled with hate?!?!?!!?!?!?! OMG! I swear! Look who's talking!

I'm the kind of person that has absolutely NO hate for anyone. I'm the most hate-free person around. I speak for justice, and get labeled as a hater. What a joke. I've seen much more hate in YOU than in any other PT'er, sorry to say. You think your country is the best and any one that supports you is great, but all the rest is trash. You hate the French just because they chose not to support the war. Its THEIR choice and they have the full right to make their decisions and we have no right to force them into something they don't want. Look who's talking. Hahaha
I pray for peace everyday, unlike those who pray for war. YOU are the one that needs to wake up and learn to see things from the other eye. Why don't you go take a tour of the entire world so you can open your eyes and see why people think the way they do, so you can learn to see from other point of views before talking

Dear, Dear Popcornbird, so you have seen much more hate in me than in any other PETTALKER. Wow that is mighty powerful. You tell my dogs how much hate I have in me and I think you will be disappointed in the answer. Yes I love my dogs to the max and I love my country with all it's fault or whatever you all want to call it.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said I hated the French? Gee you pray for peace every day, what do you think everyone else does? I never said anyone who disagrees with me is trash, still putting words in my mouth. I should travel the world to see what is going on, I have been to France, England, Holland, Mexico, Germany, Belgium, Switzerland, Venezuela, Canada, Curacao, Trinadad, Barbados, Bahamas, etc. etc. where have you been?
My eyes are open and you are the Joke.
Jackie

**Soledad** · 03-30-2003, 05:02 PM

"Why are you fine with IRAQ NOT abiding by UN rules? They had 12 years to get it together while tossing some of their people into shredders alive who didn't agree with them. Why even keep the UN?"

I'd like you to find the quote where I said I was fine with Iraq not abiding by UN rules. I think you'll find that I think Saddam is disgusting and that there is no question of his human rights abuses. However, these same abuses are happening in China, Zimbabwe and God knows how many OTHER countries.

Did you know that Israel is responsible for even MORE UN breeches than Iraq? When are they going to get invaded?

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 03-30-2003, 05:24 PM

Sorry, but since you made a point of our breaking the UN rules (which we didn't. We had other resolutions already supporting us by the UN), and not a word about Iraq's ignoring all the resolutions, I just assumed you were ok with their actions. As for the horrible things in other countries, the rest of the world COULD help out, if not, we will probably get to them as soon as we can. The world can't expect us to be their policemen, then complain about it when we are.

**mugsy** · 03-30-2003, 05:53 PM

Popcornbird, somehow, I think Jackie has a whole lot more credibility in this if not for any other reason than she has lived in the real world and is slightly older and wiser than you are. All you and Cheetahgirl have done is whine about the U.S. You are both so holier than thou it is disgusting, how can we take you seriously. I would also like to know where Jackie can be construed as being full of hate? You're the one that has bad mouthed the U.S. for the last few months about how awful we are, and then, correct me if I'm wrong, you refer the the U.S. as "your" country when talking to Jackie, are you not from the U.S.?

Soledad, is there ANYTHING about the Bush administration or G.W. that you like? I know you know I'm not a huge G.W. fan, but I can find some things that he has done well.

Richard, please keep up the comic relief....it's a welcome sight! And do we REALLY have to talk about bile....it's not really very appetizing! hehe

Jackie, You Go Girl! I feel the same way that you do on most topics dealing with the war and feelings of patriotism. I have a problem with the ideals that the people who act like we should be ashamed of the fact that we stand behind our country and our fighting men and women have.

Ok, I think I'm done now....I have to go check and see if anyone else posted about our fun day at the dog park!

**Soledad** · 03-30-2003, 05:55 PM

"Soledad, is there ANYTHING about the Bush administration or G.W. that you like? I know you know I'm not a huge G.W. fan, but I can find some things that he has done well."

Um. Not really. If something good did happen, I'd be happy about it. But seeing as the economy is going down the drain and Bushie is still giving away tax cuts to his buddies, I can't say that the man is good for America.

**mugsy** · 03-30-2003, 06:05 PM

You are right there....it seems that Clinton was a brilliant economic president and a lousy Commander in Chief and Bush is a better Commander in Chief and lousy at economics.

**mugsy** · 03-30-2003, 06:27 PM

Ok Pops...name 10 things good about this country.

**Soledad** · 03-30-2003, 06:33 PM

Yeah, Pops, prove that you're a REAL American.

Christ, it's just McCarthyism all over again.

**mugsy** · 03-30-2003, 06:40 PM

I never accused her of being a Communist! AND I didn't say that she was unAmerican and that she would be thrown out of blacklisted if she didn't come up with 10.

**Soledad** · 03-30-2003, 06:42 PM

I didn't say you did. But it's akin to it (again why are so many people here so literal and incapable of lateral thought??) in that you are asking her to validate her American-ness. And as for the blacklisting, you just don't have the authority.