breeding my poodle

[Vette]

And the knee... Poodles have issues with their knees.. especially Toys..

Kirby had an issue with is knee a long time ago. i had to take him to the vet and have them pop it back in place. and they showed me how to do it. and said it happens a few more times since then to bring him back in and they can do surgery to fix it.

luckily whatever he did to his knee(jump off something wrong,, or landed wrong) was all that caused it and hasnt botherd him since then.

[Pam]

Originally posted by Vette
And the knee... Poodles have issues with their knees.. especially Toys..

Kirby had an issue with is knee a long time ago. i had to take him to the vet and have them pop it back in place. and they showed me how to do it. and said it happens a few more times since then to bring him back in and they can do surgery to fix it.

luckily whatever he did to his knee(jump off something wrong,, or landed wrong) was all that caused it and hasnt botherd him since then.

Vette, Pumpkin, my second poodle (male toy apricot) had this. It is called a luxating patella. The vet also showed me how to slide it back in but it happened so frequently that we finally did have surgery for it and he had a pin placed in his knee cap. It is a genetic condition. Most likely Pumpkin's parent/parents had it.

Since he was only the second poodle I owned as an adult I knew nothing about finding a good breeder. He came from a breeder I found in the paper, who I later realized when I became better educated were back yard breeders, who had a male and female and decided to have a litter. Pumpkin lived to be 17 in spite of it all. Oh he also had one undescended testicle but that was taken care of when he was neutered.

[Vette]

Looks like he was trying to hide them before he even knew he would miss those things...LOL


that only happend to Kirby maybe about 2 or 3 more times after the vet showed me how to pop it back in. and told me to give him half a baby tylenal(SP?)

it worked. he hasnt done it since then. *knock on wood*

[KYS]

posted by Pam:]Vette, Pumpkin, my second poodle (male toy apricot) had this. It is called a luxating patella. >>>>>>>>>


Akita's get that too.

Not only are poodles sooooo cute and pretty,
Poodles are smart and have lovely sweet personalities.
As I am getting older, Poodles are looking mighty
good to me.

[Pam]

Originally posted by Vette
Looks like he was trying to hide them before he even knew he would miss those things...LOL

Oh Vette!

Sue, Vette has a good idea for posting photos. I had totally forgotten about Walmart and some of the other stores who will put photos on CDs. I believe CVS and some of the other pharmacies will as well.

Sue, Wolfsoul has given you some good advice. I would start there.

I have heard of Croydon, although I grew up in eastern Montgomery County, so I'm not too familiar with your neck of the woods.

KYS you are a *closet poodle person.* LOL! I confess to being *closet pug person* too. LOL! There is just something about them that draws me to them like a magnet. Maybe someday I will adopt an adorable smashy-nosed brother or sister for Bella and Ripley and you can bring home a curley headed brother or sister for Rocky and Sheba! LOL!

[bckrazy]

hm... I totally agree with Giselle. Breeding a Toy to a Mini, even if the dogs are in the same breed, is no different than breeding a Doberman to a Rottie. Mixed breeds. They cannot be shown or worked in any AKC or club events, nor will they be able to be registered. Not only will you get much more money for AKC registered puppies, you'll be able to give your buyers security and proof of lineage. Your dogs sound like great pets, maybe you should consider altering them and keeping them as loved pets?

My Grandma is a total Poodle person, her best friend breeds Standards and she's had Poodles for years. She is also having trouble finding good reputable local breeders of Miniatures, mostly because Poodles are being *ruined* by puppy mills and BYB-ers breeding trendy poodle mixes. PLEASE do buy either a toy female for your male or a mini male for your female, health test them (it sounds like your Vet just said they're healthy... you will need to spend $100's on hip, eye, and elbow x-rays), and preferably show them or get them into an event like Agility or therapy work. Poodles are also very intellegent and they could probably do well in Obedience . You should seek out a really awesome Poodle breeder (on the internet, or in person) to talk to about everything!! Go to local dog shows and talk to Poodle owners/breeders there. Just because you bred 25 years ago doesn't mean you've got everything down... a LOT has changed since 1980

[sue528]

Hi All
As far as breeding toy to minature, my VET says that's fine
my male is 10 inches and my femaile is a small mini at 11 inches so I should be fine. Thanks for all the advise as far as testing, which I will do. Will try getting pictures so I can show you my beauties!
Have to go!

[Pit Chick]

There is more to breeding than having a pair of dogs that have been to the vet. Just because your vet says they will be ok to breed them together, doesn't mean there won't be problems. What if a puppy gets stuck in the birth canal or the female has other welping complications ($800+ for a C-section)? Do you really want to put her life at risk for the sake of having puppies? Do you have a goal in mind for breeding or you're just doing it for the sake of having puppies? Breeding is done to improve the breed, how will your dogs contribute to making the breed better? If you were able to provide people with wonderful companions 25 years ago (before pet overpopulation got out of hand) why not do rescue and continue to provide people with wonderful companions who are going to die in a shelter. For each pup you sell an equal number of dogs will die in a shelter because no one wants them anymore (purebred Poodles included since 30% of dogs in shelters are purebred) and the pups you produce will also go on to produce their own pups and so on and so on. Give people in rescue a break and have your dogs spayed and neutered. BCKrazy is right, you can't register the puppies so what kind of papers will you be able to provide the buyers to guarantee, well anything? There are already enough "great pets" in this world so unless your dogs are the supreme example of what a Poodle should be:comfirmation, health, temperament, functionality, then there really is no reason to bring more unwanted "great pets" into this world.

If you are serious about breeding and want to do it the right way then you will seriously read through these links carefully. If you have to ask questions now, then now is not the time to breed.

http://www.geocities.com/virtualbreeding/

http://www.learntobreed.com/

http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Fair/1901/chart.html

[finn's mom]

Originally posted by sue528
Hi All
As far as breeding toy to minature, my VET says that's fine
my male is 10 inches and my femaile is a small mini at 11 inches so I should be fine.

It will probably be fine, as far as the health of the puppies. That's not what the issue is, though. It's the fact that they will be considered a mixed breed. Because you are breeding two different kinds of poodles. At least, that's the understanding that I have. I don't have a problem with mutts, at all, I love them. I'm sure the puppies will be wonderful! I was just under the impression that you were wanting to breed pure bred dogs to be registered and what not. Maybe I misunderstood. Good luck, though, regardless.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Pit Chick
Breeding is done to improve the breed, how will your dogs contribute to making the breed better?

She won't contribute to making the breed better -- because she's not breeding a breed. She's breeding mutts. Only backyard breeders breed mutts.

There are enough breeds in the world without adding more. It's disgusting. If you cared about your breed you wouldn't be ruining it. Your VET sounds like he can't wait to get some new clients. I bet you can't wait to sell some puppies. It's all about money these days..

[Pit Chick]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
[B]She won't contribute to making the breed better -- because she's not breeding a breed. She's breeding mutts.

My point exactly. My questions require no answers, just thinking.

I met this old looney guy in Petsmart one day that wanted to breed is smooth Chihuahua with his long haired Chi even though he knew they couldn't be registered, but he didn't care.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Sue cares what we think or say as long as we give her the answer she was looking for, she's gonna breed no matter what.

If you don't rescue, don't breed.

[K9soul]

Originally posted by Pit Chick
I met this old looney guy in Petsmart one day that wanted to breed is smooth Chihuahua with his long haired Chi even though he knew they couldn't be registered, but he didn't care.

I'm not getting involved in this thread as everything has been said and I feel Sue has made up her mind, but I wanted to comment on the chi situation. I'm certainly not condoning that guy breeding his chis as I know nothing about the situation, but I do know with collies, smooths and roughs can be bred. A smooth champ and a rough champ can be siblings. However I have no clue if long hair chis and smooth chis are the same or not.

[lv4dogs]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
She won't contribute to making the breed better -- because she's not breeding a breed. She's breeding mutts. Only backyard breeders breed mutts.

There are enough breeds in the world without adding more. It's disgusting. If you cared about your breed you wouldn't be ruining it. Your VET sounds like he can't wait to get some new clients. I bet you can't wait to sell some puppies. It's all about money these days..

Thats my understanding and unless I'm wrong then I couldn't agree more!

[Pit Chick]

Originally posted by K9soul
I'm not getting involved in this thread as everything has been said and I feel Sue has made up her mind, but I wanted to comment on the chi situation. I'm certainly not condoning that guy breeding his chis as I know nothing about the situation, but I do know with collies, smooths and roughs can be bred. A smooth champ and a rough champ can be siblings. However I have no clue if long hair chis and smooth chis are the same or not.

I'm sure they are the same, but for the guy to admit that he knew they couldn't be registered yet he still wanted to breed, that was just wrong. I would think mixing the two would result in Chis with out-of-standard coat types.

[vinjashira]

you won't get a mutt from breeding a toy poodle to a miniature poodle because they are the same breed only different size but I understand what the others are saying and they are quite right you won't be able to register the puppies and shouldn't be breeding those two.

short and long coated chihuahuas are considered different breeds in the UK and hence not interbred but I understand they are still interbred in the US and the two types of coats often appear in the same litter.