Shame On Canada

[tortuga55]

I used PETA because they were the only site with graphic videos. I also do not agree with all of Peta's claims. Especially guilt tripin people into being vegitarians. I want people to realize that picking on one nation does little, it is the world in whole that needs to change. Including the United States. Because I live near the American border I hear a lot of crap aimed at Canadians. My dad along with hundreds of others lost their jobs when the states did not whant to buy milled wood from Canada. I guess I am a bit bitter because all the rumors I hear about my country comes from the States. My dad is a logger and I always hear mean comments about his job. When I was little a kid I knew came up to me and said he hated my dad for cutting down trees, being a smart mouth I replied, well then I guess you live in a plastic bubble, and wipe your bum with plastic eh? Its not that I dont have feelings towards animals and nature, I have always been an enviromentalist. But I realize there is a balnce, and in order for the fish to survive the seals must be controled. Would you prefere them cought in nets/cages carted of somewhere and then shot or druged. Canada is not the only country who catches the seals food supply, it just so happens that the animals directly effected by the decrease in food live in canada. I prefer them being managed now instead of slowly starving latter. Boycaughting the fishing industry will only make matters worse, but people started this problem so I believe the numbers of fish cought should be controled. Overall I agree that the seals are not to blame for the lack of fish, and it is sad they have to be killed for our greed. Polution and over fishing are the causes of the decreasing numbers of fish. If we change the way we as consumers live then we can change the way seals and other animals live. Our polution is shiped to other countries and dumped in their oceans, the world is a closed loop it will come back to haunt us.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/misc/seal_briefing_e.htm
its on slide 4 whitecoats are seals under 2 weeks of age.

Sorry if effended anyone, I am tired of having the finger pointed at Canada when other countries are just as bad if not worse.

[king2005]

wow, that site was great!!!

I read the whole thing.

Its amazing all the research & care they put into making sure the animals die quickly, humane & check the animals to make sure they have died.

Canada even let the WWF & other groups to give their imput to make sure it was being done properly & not harming the species.

There r also alot of rules these guys have to fallow. That site made me approve of the hunt even more. I had no idea that much thought, care & planing was put into it.


tortuga55, I don't think loggers r bad anymore. they have come a long way to take & replace (in canada anyways). Have u seen the NS logging place?? dang its HUGE, I thought it was gonna take forever to drive past it. I also saw lots of baby trees in the area too. My aunt doesn't live too far from it.

I like to hear the good & bad & decide for myself if whats being done is good or bad. I also understand that sometimes not sonice things have to be done to protect the species & surounding species.

We are part of nature. its our job to destroy it & replace it. thats what we do.

[tortuga55]

The company my dad worked for planted five trees for every one cut down. When I was little I did not understand what my dad did for a living and whould ask him why those people (workers trimming trees by power lines) were hurting the trees? He never got mad at me about my opinions on logging and I have done tones of research on logging practices in BC. I have been in logging trucks and at logging sites, including inside the grapel lodder watching my dad work. The deforistation of the tropical rainforests really bugs me because they are not in many cases replanted. The area on the other side of the lake where my dad worked was turned into a Grizzly Bear Reserve, so the company was not able to log in that area. No one ever complained, its a huge lake with enough room for all species to co-exist. I dont know what NS stands for.
One cause that I really like is the Canadian Red Wolf, people are not allowed to hunt them. But once the law was passed someone whent out and killed a radio collared wolf and nailed its head to a pole. 166 left.
I also hate peole killing tigers. The tigers are pocked to death with sticks, even though the hunters carry guns. WWF has a video of it shot by the hunters, when I saw it I cried and held Sandy so tight. Sandy is my fat cat she looks like a little tiger, acts like one too.
I would love to take a year or so before university to go and work with scientists in ontario studying the Red Wolf. Working for WWF or National Geograohic would be fun, but also so hard. But they probrably would not want me I would be prone to start beating on people who wanted to or had killed a wolf or other endangered species.
I also dislike how other countries dump bilg oil into canadian waters killing hundreds of thousands of sea birds each year. The birds die slowly from hypothermia and starvation. http://www.wwf.ca/NewsAndFacts/NewsR...ofthebilge.pdf

[king2005]

Originally posted by tortuga55
The company my dad worked for planted five trees for every one cut down. When I was little I did not understand what my dad did for a living and whould ask him why those people (workers trimming trees by power lines) were hurting the trees? He never got mad at me about my opinions on logging and I have done tones of research on logging practices in BC. I have been in logging trucks and at logging sites, including inside the grapel lodder watching my dad work. The deforistation of the tropical rainforests really bugs me because they are not in many cases replanted. The area on the other side of the lake where my dad worked was turned into a Grizzly Bear Reserve, so the company was not able to log in that area. No one ever complained, its a huge lake with enough room for all species to co-exist. I dont know what NS stands for.
One cause that I really like is the Canadian Red Wolf, people are not allowed to hunt them. But once the law was passed someone whent out and killed a radio collared wolf and nailed its head to a pole. 166 left.
I also hate peole killing tigers. The tigers are pocked to death with sticks, even though the hunters carry guns. WWF has a video of it shot by the hunters, when I saw it I cried and held Sandy so tight. Sandy is my fat cat she looks like a little tiger, acts like one too.
I would love to take a year or so before university to go and work with scientists in ontario studying the Red Wolf. Working for WWF or National Geograohic would be fun, but also so hard. But they probrably would not want me I would be prone to start beating on people who wanted to or had killed a wolf or other endangered species.
I also dislike how other countries dump bilg oil into canadian waters killing hundreds of thousands of sea birds each year. The birds die slowly from hypothermia and starvation. http://www.wwf.ca/NewsAndFacts/NewsR...ofthebilge.pdf

I assumed u lived in Canada since u were defending it.

NS = Nova Scotia
NB= New Brunswick
NFLD= Newfoundland
PEI= Prince Edward Island
PQ= Qubec
ON= Ontario
MAN= Manatoba
SK= Saskatchewan
AB= Alberta
BC= British Columbia

[tortuga55]

I do live in Canada, I have never been to Nova Scotia. I am on the other side of the country, where they have trees thicker than a person, and I will defend my country until it does something horrible that I do not agree with. One day I hope to take over (ok maybe not take over just get elected) and change some things like.....
The first thing I would do is cut politicians pay cheques down to $0, they are serving their country not making a living.
Gas who needs it not me. Pollution sucks, people are gready. Electricitys the way.
Manufactures in other countries should pay their employes canadian min wage.
Manufactures should abide to Canadian enviromental codes no matter where they ship their crap.
Harder enviromental codes, cause its obviously not workin.
To clean up the mess of the past companies should pay for the costs of cleaning up their mess.
Everything that posibly can be recyclable should be, food containers ect. Do you really need your chocolate bar wrapers to last forever?
Food should be composted. Every city should have a comunity compost, supported by the selling of the soil.
There should be trees in every back yard.
Cows, pigs, chickens should be fed grain not each other.
No growth hormones, in food animals.
Anything with Endangered Animals as a ingredient will not be allowed to enter the country.
Better animal laws, no tiny cages, bad treatment, no importing animals who lived in conditions that are against canadian law.

I would make these changes gradually. People would hate me but like children people will not change unless they are made to. By "take over" its a joke. I would get elected, then change stuff. The only problem is in Canada the opposing partys can get rid of you if they dont like you. I think the pay cheque thing would make them mad. The switching over of cars to hybrids is moving a little to slow, all new cars should be hybrids or fully electric cars. If companys could not make gas cars hybrids would evolve a lot faster. If canada moves away from gas first before other countrys it would save us money when gas is almost all gone, and when there is a mad rush for hybrids.

[manda_moo87]

Originally posted by Jods
yeah at least you don't have to live here

Ditto.

[lizbud]

Rebecca Aldworth is keeping a journal of this years killing of
the seals. Two entries so far, Mar10 The calm before the storm
and Mar23, Sunning with the seals. It is so peaceful now.

http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p...orths_journal/

[tortuga55]

Originally posted by Jods
yeah at least you don't have to live here

Why in the world would you say that

[tortuga55]

Originally posted by todd
STOP giveing us in canada a hard time way do you hat us in canada

Don't worry you are not imature I got the feeling they were bashing Canada too.

[todd]

Thanks glad IM not the only one

Originally posted by tortuga55
Don't worry you are not imature I got the feeling they were bashing Canada too.

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I also live in Canada and do not see how you think that this thread was made to bash Canada lol. I certainly don't see it that way anyway. I do believe the whole Seal hunting thing is ridiculous though I think it's horrible how anyone could do that to an animal

edited to add: I do think the thread title could've been worded differently....

[tortuga55]

Its even worse not to.

[bluekat]

Originally posted by tortuga55
Don't worry you are not imature I got the feeling they were bashing Canada too.

Same here.

I really don't understand why some of you don't like living in Canada. IMO, I think its one of the best countries to live in, and I'm proud of Canada.

And yea, we're not the only country who does this. All countries in the world have animal cruelty.

Sure the seal hunting thing is cruel, but I'm sure if you do some research on other countries you'll probably find the same kind of thing.

[carole]

I cannot understand why anyone would take this so personally, all countries including my own do things we are not proud of, or agree with, just because other countries do similar things or worse does not justify it in any way IMO.

I would be the first person to stand up against my own country that condoned cruelty to animals of any kind, as I see it, most people are objecting to the way in which it is done, not so much that it is done, if there is an over-population as you state then maybe it is necessary, but humanely is all most animal lovers ask.

Our government has not ruled out the keeping of battery hens, it was up for debate recently, and I am apalled this practice is being allowed to continue,my girlfriend recently rescued a few battery hens, you only have to see one against her healthy free range hens to know this is wrong and cruel, luckily they will have a great life producing eggs, and not even make it to the dinner table, changing the subject a little here, but my point is everyone should IMO be prepared to stand up against their own country regardless when it comes to any kind of animal cruelty.

[king2005]

Canada has done research to make sure the seals r dying quickly. I don't see how thats animal cruility. The government has made all sorts of rules on how & what can be used to kill a seal.

Before any hunter is allowed to hunt they must be trained/work with a trainer for 2years to make sure its being done properly.

The hunter cannot leave the seal until he checks to make sure its dead. once its dead he can go after another seal.

How many slaughter houses are made to make sure the animal is dead before cutting it, plucking it or dipping it into hot water? Its not part of the law. It should be, but it isn't.

How about the treatment of chickens, ther is NO law saying that chickens need space, fresh air, & what not.

IMO the seals r being treated alot better then our dinner.


However I do dissagree with just leaving the seal bodies on the snow & ice. They should be collected & moved to shore where Polar Bears & Arctic Foxes can feed on them.

Also its not just any kind of seal they can hunt & in any place.

Canada is doing its best to make the hunt go as well as it can.

Now Canada has to smarted up on our Cattle & Hens. they need rules/rights too.