Tony Blaire - Look at the Internet

[mugsy]

Well, I guess we SHOULD consider that it is written by a member of the Monty Python Crew! hehe

[Soledad]

Naturally patriotism is a subjective thing. But I think that what most people like to toss around as patriotism is suspect. Waving a flag isn't really patriotism. I think it takes a little more effort than that.

And I don't think it's necessary to call other countries "insignificant" because you don't like ONE person's opinion.

Terry Jones is not entirely joking. This Pax Americana thing is real, reported and has come out the mouths of many in the current administration. Of course, it is just easier to dismiss it, laugh at it, and forget about it. Which will only make things easier.

I don't believe we'll be stopping with Iraq. This is about controlling the middle east, this is not about humanitarianism. That's just a nice line that goes over well.

[mugsy]

Where do you think we'll go next?? Tell me this, when Amercia wins this war and we go in and help the people of Iraq to put in place a democratic government, run by their own people who have been elected by the people, will you feel differently? Also, how do you think the families of the American and British servicemen who have been killed would react to this thread and the other Tony Blaire thread?

[jackiesdaisy1935]

How much more effort would you like for us to be called a Patriot?
My family originally came over as Pilgrims, my Great Grandfather came down from French Canada and settled here. My husband was in the Navy for 25 years serving in Korea and VietNam on aircraft carriers in a Helicopter Squadron going to sea for 8 or 9 months of the year, and working around the clock at times for very little pay but loving his country enough to do it. I guess if we don't criticize President Bush or the Politics here we are not Patriots. Geeeez at your age with your great intelligence, expertise, wisdom and experience you should be running the country.
Jackie, Perry and Miss Daisy

[Soledad]

Don't worry, Jackie. I'm working towards getting myself into politics. So, hopefully soon, I'll be able to help my country.

My grandfather fought in Korea. My dad fought in Vietnam as did my uncles. I have cousins who have been in Kosovo, Somalia and desert storm. I have cousins who are NOW in the service. My brother was injured in 9-11.

Have I proven my credentials yet?

Look, the families of the servicemen (which I would be a part of) are all very varied and numerous. There are plenty of them who don't believe that you have to be in lock step with Bush to support the troops.

[mugsy]

Soledad, you didn't really answer my questions. I understand that some family members are not for this war, but I am asking how the families of the servicemen who were killed would feel reading these threads.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Soledad, I didn't want to bore you with the many relatives besides Don who fought for this Country in our family. I hope you are not thinking of Politics here in the States, I would never vote for you, I believe your politics are prejudiced and that you are more Anti-American than Anti-War.
Jackie

[Soledad]

Don't worry Jackie, no one will vote for me because I'm not seeking out an elected position.

I love America and no one can really tell me otherwise.

What do I think families who've lost loved ones would think of the threads? I don't know. Maybe frustration that this administration has planned this thing so poorly and with such little justification that it obviously does not care enough about those in the army.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by jonza
Sorry Richard!
I was naive enough to think that we could possibly get a semi-intelligent discussion out of it.

john

no problem. i get naive too.........
and just to prove that there are no hard feelings,
here's a quote from two of our most critically thinking
citizens.

heh, heh, heh, he said naive, heh, heh heh-
beavis and butthead

[RICHARD]

just a thought,

yes we americans can tolerate to be criticized, you just have to
be ready when we laugh about the 'unsults'.....


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What I can do during the war.


During the war I had many options to choose from.

1) Join the service, but I am too old.


2) Rail against the war and my country. Maybe a protest or two. Blame all Political ills of the last 20 years on someone, anyone in the government.
Make it a point to get mad and call people names when they disagree with me.
(It works in other places.) When a point, that really doesn’t fit my
Views is presented, I’ll be creative and impolite, when cornered in a discussion/Argument

I will become particularly vicious making sure that my opponent’s
Right to speak is sufficiently stifled. My mouth IS bigger and ONLY my points
Count. I will be civilly disobedient, should the need arise I am willing to go to jail-
Ready to generate more paperwork for the city, state and country should I deem
It necessary.
I’ll use the ‘cut and paste’ method of presenting MY points. I will loose my
Sense of depth perception. That will help my view of an opinion, leaving me
Free from any critical thinking processes that may make me see things with dimension
And/Or any kind of depth.
When caught in a precarious situation, where I may lose credibility or face, I will
Revise or modify the view I have stated. Such as, “I do not ___________, But I
Do support the ____________! I will try to remain ‘on the fence’ until the picket
Wedged in my crotch forces me to fall on one side or the other.
I’ll will prepare my self for any interactions by practicing raising the volume
Of my voice so any opponent will fold just to hear peace and quiet again, after all
Peace, harmony and understanding, Zen and meditation are the foundation of my beliefs.

[Miss Meow]

Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
... then they should go to a little insignificant country like Denmark ...
Jackie, Perry and Miss Daisy

Size isn't everything

[mugsy]

I think (understand I cannot speak for Jackie) that you missed the point of that statement.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Just as I have said before, people on here feel free to say anything negative on here about the United States they want to, but pleaseeee to do not attempt to say something about another country, it was o.k. for Jonza to cut my country down. Ashamed?Not in the least, I think it's time we start looking around the world.
Take France did we not save them during world war 2? They want nothing to do with the war except we are finding out they have some sweet deals with Saddam and they don't want to upset the applecart, but they do want to be a part of helping Iraq after the war and I say that loosely and with a laugh.

Russia? Our new very good friends, the only problem is that they have their hands in the cookie jar too, selling military equipment to Iraq to hinder our soldiers in the war to free Iraq.

Turkey? maybe we will, maybe we won't, nope you didn't give us enough money.
I could go on and on

Britain and Israel? They stand by their convictions, they may be small geographically, but they have heart and they carry a big stick, more than I can say about those little insignificant countries who sit on their duff and wait for everyone else around them to keep the world safe.

If it was not for the United States and Britain, you could be one of those Iraqi women trying to protect your child, looking for food and water, watching your man go off to war with a gun to his head if he didn't fight for the evil dictator. Just think in the scheme of things you could be living there, WAKE UP!
Jackie

[Pam]

Jackie - **Deafening round of applause here!*** You have spoken well my friend!

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
Just as I have said before, people on here feel free to say anything negative on here about the United States they want to, but pleaseeee to do not attempt to say something about another country, it was o.k. for Jonza to cut my country down.

i guess that means we can't say we'll take over the world and make donald rumsfelt president of his own nation?????



no wonder us americans get so cranky........we hear the same
line over and over and over and over again.