Don't touch me there?

[Karen]

Do you remember the drive-ins?

When you heard that the local DI was opening trunks to see if you were sneaking people in?

The Drive-In was pretty much dead by the time I was a teenager. And where ours was if you wanted in for free, you just hiked up Depot Road and then walked down the hill through the trees, and there you were.

[sparks19]

I love to fly. Sports teams, entertainers, business people fly all the time.
If we were to ask all those who died on 9.11 if they would mind these new rules what do you think they would say. What would their message be to us?

uhhhhh I don't know considering the methods we were using before these extreme measures would have caught them since they were using box cutters (hello metal detectors?) so why would they think THIS is nessecary?

Bad things happen. it's a horrible part of life. but you can't just strip people of their rights (no pun intended) because the world is scary....

Actually apparently you can because it's happening right now... and not making anyone any safer. I can think of a few ways around it right off the top of my head and I'm not even a terrorist who is willing to die myself to get the job done.

*shrug*

Where will it end in the name of "safety"?

[Grace]

One woman's experience -

sexual assault by the TSA

[Grace]

So much for the dirty diapers . . . . .

By Ben Mutzabaugh, USA TODAY

Children going through airport security will no longer be subject to the aggressive pat-downs that have riled some passengers and will instead face less-intrusive hand searches from screeners, the Transportation Security Administration said Tuesday.

"After a thorough risk assessment and after hearing concerns from parents, we made the decision that a modified pat-down would be used for children 12 years old and under who require extra screening," TSA spokeswoman Kristin Lee said in a statement.

source

[sparks19]

Oh nooooo now all the terrorists are going to know and stuff bombs in childrens diapers and now the whole world is at risk fro
These pint sized bomb machines

Seriously though I can't believe there is even debate about whether or not toddlers and young children should be subjected to a stranger touching them in all the areas they shouldn't be touching EVER.

[moosmom]

I read the link Grace posted. I guess until anyone is put into that situation, our views will differ.

[Puckstop31]

I agree. The Bush administration proved that for 8 long years.

LOL


ROFL


I agree. The PATRIOT Act is a disgrace. But....Well..... Uhhhhh.... Who is President NOW? You know, when all this TSA stuff is starting to happen? Or do you have an excuse? The President always has someone or something to blame, why not you too eh?

I don't think this new method is the ONLY way to insure airline safety.
Send the TSA back to the drawing board to come up with something else.

We agree.... Sorta.


When you face a threat that is willing to DIE to accomplish their goal, nothing you do will 'ensure' our safety. This utter nonsense that is going on now... BIG win for the bad guys.


Do we REALLY think ANY of this stuff keeps flyers safer? Or... How far are we willing to go?


"Those willing to give up Liberty for safety shall have nor deserve, either."
Benjamin Franklin

[lizbud]

My neighbor lady had the best comment when we were talking about
this subject yesterday. She said "Maybe we should all show up at the airport
naked. Maybe that would make everybody happy" I had that mental image in
my head for hours.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Let's see: touch my junk or maybe be blown to a million pieces? Sounds like a no brainer to me.

I don't give you the right to enjoy touching my junk however. hehehehehe

[momoffuzzyfaces]

"Those willing to give up Liberty for safety shall have nor deserve, either."
Benjamin Franklin

Easy for you to say Ben. Wonder if you would say the same thing now? (besides you did not have kids, did you? Sorry, I don't remember)

[sparks19]

Let's see: touch my junk or maybe be blown to a million pieces? Sounds like a no brainer to me.

I don't give you the right to enjoy touching my junk however. hehehehehe

It's more like "Touch my Junk and be just as likely to be blown to pieces when the terrorists figure out the way around this system which is pretty simple" They aren't keeping this new security under wraps. Everyone knows how they work and it's going to be pretty easy for the determined ones to find a way around it.

Like I said before... when they start sticking the bombs where the sun don't shine or swallowing one will we all be happy to submit to mandatory cavity searches?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

It's more like "Touch my Junk and be just as likely to be blown to pieces when the terrorists figure out the way around this system which is pretty simple" They aren't keeping this new security under wraps. Everyone knows how they work and it's going to be pretty easy for the determined ones to find a way around it.

Like I said before... when they start sticking the bombs where the sun don't shine or swallowing one will we all be happy to submit to mandatory cavity searches?

Guess it will depend on how much we want to arrive alive.

[RICHARD]

Let's see: touch my junk or maybe be blown to a million pieces? Sounds like a no brainer to me.

I don't give you the right to enjoy touching my junk however. hehehehehe

It only hurts for a little while?

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ye multitudes!

Rise up and raise a fist towards the evil powers that use us at their leisure!!!


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Meanwhile?

In the cargo of escargot
the temperature is rising.......

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Geo. Washington never had a horse explode under him?

[Karen]

Easy for you to say Ben. Wonder if you would say the same thing now? (besides you did not have kids, did you? Sorry, I don't remember)

He had one illegitimate son, William, (mother unknown) who eventually become the last "Loyalist governor of New Jersey. He had two children with his common-law wife, one daughter, Francis, who died of smallpox at the age of four, and another, Sarah, who was usually called Sally. She not only lived to adulthood, she married, had seven children of her own, and took care of her father when he was elderly.

[sparks19]

You are NEVER guaranteed to arrive alive anywhere you go. YOu can get the colonoscopy and the plane could still go down. A terrorist could be very skilled in hand to hand combat and take out the pilot. can't screen for that.

The plane could malfunction and go down.

You could drive your car and get in an accident.

The train could go off the tracks.... etc etc etc

you are NEVER guaranteed another day. Why give up your freedoms and your constitutional rights for that slim chance that something bad could happen especially considering this new system is quite easy to find a way to get around it.

We are so crippled by our fear that we are willing to give up anything for the illusion of safety

but rest assured you are NEVER going to be guaranteed that you will arrive alive.

if I'm afraid to fly... I simply won't fly (nice that I have the option not to fly). I won't make everyone else give up their rights for MY fear.