Dog Races

[jcsperson]

Originally posted by Tonya
Thank you for another perspective. It gives me more to think about. I've never known anyone that is involved in Greyhound racing. I don't know that we have it in California.

It might interest you to know that greyhound racing began in Emeryville, California in 1919. It flourished there until its popularity became so great the better financed horse tracks and owners conspired with legislatures to get it banned because of alleged ties with organized crime. The real reason was that greyhound racing was kicking the ponies' butts at the box office. There has not been greyhound racing in CA since, but neighbors Oregon, Arizona and Mexico all have tracks.

[sherpayluvsgreys]

I study the methods of the great thoroughbred breeders like Federico Tesio. He claimed that if one crossed a TB with a Standard Bred horse it would take 20 generations to bring the progeny back up to the level of the TB in that mating.

This is VERY interesting...

[jcsperson]

Originally posted by sherpayluvsgreys
This is VERY interesting...

I guess my purpose for pointing this out was to debunk some of the theories that greyhounds were crossed with Terriers or Bulldogs (Orford) to make them more aggressive. The prey drive gained would be more than offset by the speed lost and it would take several generations to get the speed back by which time the aggression gained would be so diluted as to be meaningless.

It would have made more sense to breed high-prey greyhounds to other game greyhounds to get the aggression they needed while retaining the speed.

If twenty generations would be lost by breeding a TB to a Standardbred, very similar horses conformationally, imagine how many generations would be lost breeding a Greyhound to a Bulldog. I don't doubt that people tried it---I do doubt that the progeny of any of these crosses survive in our present day pedigrees.

[dogs_4_me]

Originally posted by 7up
I did that for no other reason than to annoy you.

Jay

[Giselle]

Originally posted by jcsperson
It might interest you to know that greyhound racing began in Emeryville, California in 1919. It flourished there until its popularity became so great the better financed horse tracks and owners conspired with legislatures to get it banned because of alleged ties with organized crime. The real reason was that greyhound racing was kicking the ponies' butts at the box office. There has not been greyhound racing in CA since, but neighbors Oregon, Arizona and Mexico all have tracks.

WHOA! I had no idea Greyhound racing took place in...EMERYVILLE?!! Wow. Have you seen what it looks like now *ROTFLMAO*. Malls, honey---everywhere-malls...I live 20 minutes away from Emeryville and often go there to shop.

Do you know the exact location of the former track? Wow, that's amazing.

[7up]

Originally posted by dogs_4_me

... !!

[jcsperson]

Originally posted by Giselle
WHOA! I had no idea Greyhound racing took place in...EMERYVILLE?!! Wow. Have you seen what it looks like now *ROTFLMAO*. Malls, honey---everywhere-malls...I live 20 minutes away from Emeryville and often go there to shop.

Do you know the exact location of the former track? Wow, that's amazing.

I don't. Sorry.

You might try to look up a local historical society---almost every area has one---and ask them if they have more info on the track.

[jcsperson]

EXHIBIT: "Emeryville's Wild Gambling Past"
http://www.oaklandlibrary.org/Seasonal/Sections/ohrshowoak_emeryville.html

Emeryville Historical Society
Donald Hausler (510) 652-8276
Nancy Smith (510) 652-8276

[jcsperson]

I think everyone who read through all this carefully got a pretty good education. Most folks found out quite a lot that they never knew and many assumptions that they had made were shown to be founded on misinformation. The lesson learned is to never base your beliefs on hearsay or propaganda.

I never did figure out who here was "completely educated in greyhounds," the self-description that person used on GreyTalk. For whatever reason this individual chose not to reveal him/herself.

If anyone has any questions about greyhounds as a breed or greyhound racing, I can be found pretty easily over at GT.

Thanks for reading.

[Kfamr]

I had thought that the person who claimed to be educated was K9Soul -- and she joined the board, thus revealing herself??

I kind of forget what was said in that thread (and I wish everyone was capable of doing so... as to move on.) but I do believe who posted that mentioned they had a Greyhound mix, which would be K9Soul?

I could be wrong though.

Do you think maybe we can all let this thread die down and sink into the history of the board, and possibly share your pets -- comments on others -- and contribute to the rest of the board instead of sticking to this thread and other greyhound topics? I'm know i'm not the only one who would like for this to happen.
It would be nice if you guys to stick around and contribute to all of PT, and I appreciate those who have.

[dukedogsmom]

I've been waiting for that myself, Kay.

[aly]

Originally posted by jcsperson
I think everyone who read through all this carefully got a pretty good education. Most folks found out quite a lot that they never knew and many assumptions that they had made were shown to be founded on misinformation. The lesson learned is to never base your beliefs on hearsay or propaganda.

I never did figure out who here was "completely educated in greyhounds," the self-description that person used on GreyTalk. For whatever reason this individual chose not to reveal him/herself.

If anyone has any questions about greyhounds as a breed or greyhound racing, I can be found pretty easily over at GT.

Thanks for reading.

Actually, everything that I had previously thought was only confirmed. I never said that every single racer was bad, but there are a lot of bad ones out there. I have a problem with the bad ones and I have a problem with the gambling aspect. I have a problem of the mass-production of these dogs and I have a problem of them becoming disposable after they lose too much (not implying this is ALL of them). So all my opinions and beliefs remian the same. It has been fun talking to a majority of the people who came from Greytalk though and I hope they stay (doesn't look like you are).

I was one of the ones who posted Anonymously on the thread that was deleted. I didn't think to reveal myself only because no one there knew me anyway. I also didn't want to take the time to register because I don't have a Greyhound myself and this board takes up all of my forum time anyway. I am one of the ones that said I know Greyhounds - the BREED, not so much as the racing industry. I already stated in a previous post in this thread what I thought of the assumption that we don't know anything about Greyhounds here, so I won't repeat it.

I think I've said all I'm going to say on this subject. Its been great talking to people who have come over and given their opinions in a respectful manner. I hope to hear more from you in other threads on this forum!

[PJ's Mom]

I have never been to a dog race, nor would I ever go to a dog race. (or a horse race, for that matter)

[K9soul]

Just for the record I was not the person who stated that I was completely educated on greyhounds. I'm not sure who said that, most of the people posting as guest did not say who they were over here.

I did learn things, especially different perspectives, but I also still have my own opinions and views on it all, mainly that the truth lies in the middle between the two extremes. I didn't want to keep arguing and stating my thoughts here as I felt I had done that enough already. I did enjoy coming to understand different perspectives, but no longer wish to debate the issue

[true]

Originally posted by cali
I belong to greyhound message board and I have been there far longer then I have been on this board, I have learned a great deal from these people who are by the way rescuers as well. I hardly think I know all, but just because I have differning opinions hardly means I dont know anything, frankly I will continue to research and form my OWN opinions, which I have been doing for years now. I dont follow the crowd, and I dont buy into so called "statistics" that people make up on the spot. and frankly YOU are the one that needs to wake up and see things from another perspective, evedently you are to narow minded to look on the other side

i belong to the same message board and instead of just believing what others write, i beg you to please go out and volunteer for groups, and go to tracks farms and kennels, get very invovled adn see FOR YOURSELF waht is going on.

anyone can write anything on a message board or on the internet, when you see with your own eyes bad conditions it really wakes you up.