the presidential debates

[Mkitty]

thanks christa! I didn't want to get into a bad argument. And I agree with christa, about the Bush pro stuff.

[doggylovr6]

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anyway, i agree with uabasoon. a women is not going to just say, "I've been raped" especially in court, and i doubt that the women is gonna say it in private to bush. and if a women duz say sumtin, she could be lying just to get abourshment!!!! Bush is stupid to beleive that some women is gonna say "hey dude, i was raped, i want abourshment"BUSH IS STUPID!!!!!




andrea

[mugsy]

I am not trying to force MKitty to be anything. I will respect her beliefs. I just want her to realize that whomever is president needs to look past his/her beliefs and do what is best for America, or what most Americans want. I think that it's admirable that she is so young and has the moxy to defend her beliefs. I may not agree, but, I admire her for sticking to her guns.


Now, the debate. Last night was extremely frustrating to me because both of them avoided questions and gave the old..."if I'm elected I will...." and never once told us HOW they were going to do it. It's all well and good to say that they're going to do it, but, I want to know how....if they don't tell me, I throw it out as not worth my time because I know it won't ever happen. Like I said before...I don't think either man won this one. I think one of us should run and then maybe we could get something changed...

[CathyBogart]

Then there is another hard question....how do we define "rape". I feel that I was "raped" when my ex popped a condom to get me pregnant....but I don't think it was rape in the traditional sense of the word since I did not object to the actual act. If abortion were allowed only in cases of rape, would this be grounds for an abortion since I was mislead, or would it not, since I willingly trusted my then boyfriend to do what he said he was going to?

There are so many of these grey areas, it would be impossible to come to a happy medium for everyone.

doggylovr: We're trying to be somewhat NONconfrontational here...let's not just throw around statements that are only going to get this thread locked, mmkay?

[Mkitty]

im sorry everyone and i do understand your guys points, but i have my own and it would be nice if people understood mine. i don't think i did much to get anyone md but i maybe got a little to annoying lol

[leslie]

I would not post anything regarding Bush's religion were it not of special interest, he is not JUST a christian. THAT'S why I was asking if anyone could remember. Nevermind, I'll do a search. I have a memory deficit from aging!

[leslie]

http://www.costanzo.org/Rex/Commenta...20Religion.htm
http://jesuspolitics.typepad.com/jes.../09/james.html

[Uabassoon]

Originally posted by Mkitty
im sorry everyone and i do understand your guys points, but i have my own and it would be nice if people understood mine. i don't think i did much to get anyone md but i maybe got a little to annoying lol

I'm in no way mad I honestly don't think anyone is mad at you, and I understand your views. I just want to know how exactly it would work if you say that women should only have abortions if they have been raped. I want to understand how one would go about judging who could have an abortion and who couldn't.

[Logan]

Originally posted by leslie
I would not post anything regarding Bush's religion were it not of special interest, he is not JUST a christian. THAT'S why I was asking if anyone could remember. Nevermind, I'll do a search. I have a memory deficit from aging!

Leslie, are you asking which denomination Bush is? I didn't see your questions. Just in case you are asking, Bush is a United Methodist. There was an interesting article on MSNBC the other day about his faith and how he does not necessarily follow the doctrine of the United Methodist Church. I'll see if I can find it. I want to print it off and ask my minister about whether the claims the author made about the church's views is correct.

[christa]

Not suggesting that polls are accurate . . . found this interesting, especially considering that Kerry supposedly won the last debate.

"Bush led Kerry 48-44 percent in the latest three-day tracking poll, which included one night of polling done after Wednesday's debate in Tempe, Arizona. Bush led Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, by only one point, 46-45 percent, the previous day."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...poll_friday_dc

[lizzielou742]

Has Zogby started counting the opinions of first time voters, or are they still ignored?

It's way too close to call right now. Every five minutes another poll or website is coming up with something different.

But thanks for the update.

[BCBlondie]

Originally posted by Pam
Then BCBlondie I would have to leave the church. How can you continue to consider yourself Catholic with the feelings you have. Perhaps you should look for another religion but I think you will have a hard time finding one that supports murdering babies. I think many people today are walking around making up their own religions - ones which support their own views. (i.e., the gospel according to Soledad).

Whoever said I was Catholic?
I'm an Atheist. I've said that before... all I said was I went to a Catholic school.. doesn't mean I'm Catholic. I also have other Atheist, some Buddhist, and a Muslim friend that went to my Catholic school.

Okay, so I'm guessing you're against abortions.
What about women's rights?
There's a lot of sexism in the Catholic Church.
(My Catholic friends are born and raised in a Catholic family, Baptized, etc, but they don't agree with some of the Catholic Church's opinions on some things, such as women's rights (ex: women being priests). That's all I was trying to say.)

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you or anything. If you feel that way, I'm really sorry. I'm just trying to show you my point of view and the point of view of other Christians. I know a LOT of people that are Catholic or Muslim or whatever, and there are some parts of their religion that they don't necessarily believe or feel is right.

Then again, I guess the American government is a bit sexist too. Women aren't allowed to be president either.
That's one good thing about the country I'm from - Latvia actually has a WOMAN president at the moment.

[christa]

Originally posted by lizzielou742
Has Zogby started counting the opinions of first time voters, or are they still ignored?

It's way too close to call right now. Every five minutes another poll or website is coming up with something different.

But thanks for the update.

It's like I said before, there's no way that polls are even close to being accurate.

I just posted that because someone else posted polls right after the 3rd debate.

We won't know until Nov. 2 . . . plain and simple. It's just too close to call.

[Pam]

Originally posted by BCBlondie
Whoever said I was Catholic?
I'm an Atheist. I've said that before... all I said was I went to a Catholic school.. doesn't mean I'm Catholic. I also have other Atheist, some Buddhist, and a Muslim friend that went to my Catholic school.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. It wasn't clear to me that you were an atheist. What I meant by my comment was that in my humble opinion if someone no longer believes in the doctrine of the religion they were raised in it's time to move on. I will never understand people carrying a "label" to their grave when they never believed in the religion in reality. Good for you. At least you have taken your own stand. Everyone must at some point in their life form their own beliefs.

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by BCBlondie

Then again, I guess the American government is a bit sexist too. Women aren't allowed to be president either.

Women are allowed to be President here, it just hasn't happened....yet.