Dog Races

[BitsyNaceyDog]

Originally posted by greysandmoregreys
Not to cause any more problems but I think I must be out of my mind LOL no big surprise to some

If you look at this same site that is listed in the link below. Check out this page
skinny dog

The second picture down shows the right side of the dog where there is no fawn color at all. Where in the bottom picture there is. Also in the two top pictures compaired to the bottom picture there is no fawn color on the dogs head.

I've always been good at those games where you find out what is different between both pictures.

All I want everyone to try and understand is that things can be painted in such a way that makes you think one way. That way may not be the case.

The industry is not perfect and no one claimed it to be. We all learn and try to better ouselves though education that is all we ask of others.

We all have our opinions and we are free to have those. Like it or not. I can understand yours and may not agree but please give others the same concederation.
agree to disagree

I think you are saying that they are two different dogs pictured. If you read the story they will explain the difference in the coloring. Also when you enlarge the first picture you can see some light fawn coloring to the dog.

[greysandmoregreys]

WOW, your right!! I'm sorry

I really couldn't believe that was the same dog but the more and more I looked at the first picture I could see the faint fawn color.

Again I'm sorry. That is one amazing transformation

[Miss Meow]

Putting aside the pro/anti racing for a moment (we're all for animal welfare aren't we?), I wish everyone had the same amount of post-career care for greyhounds.

The claim in this article is that 20,000 greyhounds are put down each year in a small country like Australia. The rescue angels can only take in a small fraction of this amount.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...556296347.html

[K9soul]

I have wondered if the rescue programs in other countries were as large as the ones in the U.S. seem to be. Some European countries actually seem to have more laws protecting animals than U.S., and some seem to have fewer. I am completely uneducated to even the smallest degree on the racing industry outside the U.S. I just know that things like cropping/docking laws are in place or are going in place in many other countries.

[7up]

k9soul, the situation for greyhounds in the U.S. is the best you will find compared to just about anywhere else in the world. I can give you some more detail later on after I get the dogs walked and fed. What I can say now is that greyhounds are not categorized with other dogs or domestic pets with regard to any applicable animal protection laws, until they exit the racing system. Other regulations do exist within the industry and are specific to racing greyhounds, just like there are for race horses. State laws that might apply to racing greyhounds would be those in place for any livestock animal.

7up

[Giselle]

Originally posted by bckrazy
[B]personally, I have never been to a race, in a stadium.. but I have seen several racing Greyhound kennels and racing facilities in Oregon that appauled me ... I don't even want to get into that, but all of what I have seen of the industry is pretty horrible.

Bckrazy, Please tell us the name of the kennel. If that kennel is truly appauling, it must be reported to the NGA at once. Please e-mail me with the name of the kennel or contact the NGA, Please. Also, I am visiting my uncle in Oregon next summer. We plan to visit a Greyhound kennel for ourselves. How did you get the names of the kennels and may I have them?

Back on topic, I was once vehemently anti-racing (thank you GPL *grits teeth*). Unfortunately, I based my "research" on slanted and biased AR articles. Then, I talked to a lady in Wisconsin and she shared her experiences. I researched (and this time, NOT on GPL or PETA) the industry and contacted a few breeders/kennel owners. Now, I'm neutral but slightly pro-racing. Really, you can not go on word of mouth or opinions alone. Nor should you be swayed just because of what you read here. I plan to visit a Greyhound kennel in Oregon and Multnomah Greyhound Park.

Also, a lot of Greyhound breeders do care where their dogs go. In general, any breeder who hands over their dog to an adoption group, imo, is caring. I just received a letter from Giselle's breeder who still remembered my baby girl even after three years and probably dozens of other dogs. She shared a little information about Giselle and it's really heartwarming and gratifying to know that some breeders *do* care. Anyways, I digress.

[GreyhoundDaddy]

Just a little "FYI" here... the bare butt thing.. isn't related at all to the "time spent in a kennel". It has more to do with severalother factors. One being that Greys, on average, have lower thyroid levels than do other dogs. Secondly, as is the case with my Greyhound, when they are finished with a race, their handlers will rub them down with a linament i.e. icy hot or ben gay or sportcreme. Try rubbing that stuff on YOUR butt and see how much hair you've got left

As far as it being a "sick" sport... Good Lord... I'm sitting here reading my hounds Career History report that I just obtained. She had 59 races in her short career (a season and a half). Not counting her final race, her last 5 races she finished 2nd three times, won once, and came in 7th in another. She was a high level Stakes racer at one of the most competive tracks in the country. She was making her owners and plenty of parimutal bettors plenty of money. However, in her last race, she did not finish. I have no idea why, but, it's safe to assume that something physically happened to her that she wasn't able to recover from. Now, don't any of you "It sickens me" types think that a dog who was winning so many people so much money would've been rehabbed and put back on the track to continue if this was such an inherently cruel sport?

I'm not here to bicker, flame or demean anyone... I'd just hope that our experiences are considered before judgements are made. I'd also humbly submit that one should visit a track for nothing more than to see the sheer JOY these dogs get from running... Believe me... playing "flyball" is not what these hounds are meant for...

Originally posted by KBlaix
I live just a short ways (about an hour and a half) from Daytona where they have greyhound racing. I have seen several dogs from off the track that have retired due to injury. A broken leg is certainly not uncommon. At the boarding facility I work at we board several retired greyhounds from the track and they ALL (and I do mean all) have bear butts from being in crates for such long periods of time. Also my best friend has been talking to greyhound rescue about adopting one from the track, and she probably will be soon. She seen and heard some horrible things that these dogs have been through. I am for one totally 100% against dog racing, it's a sick sport. If they love their dog and want them to run they can put them agility classes and keep them off the track.



I agree completely.

[GreyhoundDaddy]

do you watch any of the Triple Crown races on TV? The Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont? Is THAT not solely about money? Heck, VISA has a $5million payout to the owner of the horse that wins all three...

What do you think happens to all those horses after they've been deemed unfit to race? I have no idea, but, I'm sure it isn't that they're set up on a Kentucky stud farm to live out their lives.

Originally posted by Jadapit
I dont think I would ever go to a dog race because I believe its mostly all about the money (the gambling) We live in Colo and Colorado Springs has a greyhound track. We were up there visiting a couple of years ago and I was looking in there paper and I kid you not there were pages and pages of greyhound rescues in just one of their papers.

If the dogs are loved and treated so well then how come there were so many rescues for them!?! I'm sure a lot are probably treated good and some people do race them for the love of the sport but there are probably many more that do it just for the money. IMHO anyway.....

[GreyhoundDaddy]

Well, now... Let's see, my hound ran 59 races (see above post for her last 5 race stats) and when she got hurt and was no longer winning..was she "KILLED"? No wait, she couldn't have been.. she's sleeping on my bed right now!

As far as the "not treated well or loved"... Quick little story, when I was able to track down my hound's breeder, I told her who my dog was and I could literally HEAR the woman smile over the phone. She was so happy to learn that one of her babies made it to a comfy couch and was living a good retired life in Sunny San Diego. Not only was she happy to hear that, but, she without hesitation went into several stories about Sequoia when she was a puppy. Now, mind you, this is a woman that breeds and races some of the best dogs for the best tracks in the country. For her to remember a SINGLE hound out of the many that she's welped.. I think that speaks to the level of care and love that these hounds get.

Now.. about the "If you do not know what you are talking about, please do not comment" comment... Pot meet Kettle

[i]Originally posted by Twisterdog
ANYONE with even the slightest experience with dog racing knows the horrors of it. EVERY racing greyhound will be killed when it no longer a winner.

Not ONE of them was treated well or loved, and ALL of them were literally snatched from death's door.

If you do not know what you are talking about, please do not comment. Do us all a favor. [/B]

[GreyhoundDaddy]

Oh Dear Lord! A grey with an owie on her tootsies!

Looking at that pic, I see nothing of what you claimed...So, I offer this... MY Hound who broke a toe while were straightline racing...


These dogs have small bones in their feet, buch thinner than most other breeds I'd imagine. Are you going to call me.. well, whatever names that have been bantied about because I LET my dog do what she LOVES doing? While I'm at it.. here's a couple pics of her the day she was running...




Looks like a happy hound to me

And hile the guy may well not have been lying.. as I'm sure he felt he was giving the full hot order...I'd venture a guess that he's a staunch AR type that is a card carrying GPL member.

Originally posted by micki76
Ironically I met a rescued racer this evening at Petsmart when we went to get Tank a snail. Her name was Daisy and she was sickly thin (still needing to gain 15+ lbs), had a to the bone injury on her right front leg, and had a scary looking old injury to her left shoulder that was never treated and thus the muscle atrophied and so the formerly broken bone healed so that it sticks out. She was scratched and bruised all over. She's been in her foster home for 2 weeks and is adjusting to all the things that she should have been acclimated to as a puppy, such as furniture, mirrors, doorbells, air conditioner noises, etc.

This dog was horribly abused, even if she was never hit.

The husband is the President of Greyhounds Unlimited. I doubt he's lying about the atrocities these animals face. I doubt he's lying about what he deals with EVERY DAY. What he sees on a DAILY BASIS.

Why would ANYONE continue to breed animals KNOWING they’ll just turn them over rescuers in the end? WHY?
It’s all about the almighty dollar.

SICK.

Here's a pic of Daisy from their website:

[GreyhoundDaddy]

Wooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Here we go!

Alright people... that was my thread over on GT. If you have questions regarding it's beginnings.. no need... here's the deal. I tried to register here a couple days ago and failed to receive a validation email. SO I emailed an adminstrator and was given a password to use for posting here...THAT'S IT! I wasn't trying to say that I'm some Billy Badass that had a reputation preceeding him. GET OVER IT

I think if you go back and look at Cali's thread that started this whole hullaballoo (nice word, Coach!) I think you'll find that I was calling for her ouster from both boards. I cannot stand people that spout off and dont know a F'ing thing about what they're talking about. What was even more silly than my lame title for a thread, is the fact that WE ALL got hoodwinked and suckered into her little game. Honestly, I think she needs a good spanking, have her internet priveleges taken away by her mommy, and given extra chores! :gmark ! (You gt'ers will know what emoticon I wanna use there)

Savvy?

Oh, btw... I'm CoachGrieber on GT and I'm a Greyaholic.

Originally posted by guster girl
Wow, and, I did just see the "Pet Talk's afraid of me" post in Grey Talk. I don't know, it doesn't offend me, though, it's kind of funny. There are always people with that kind of personality, including in Pet Talk. Variety is the spice of life, I think. As long as we know the core of Pet Talk, and, they know the core of Grey Talk, we'll all be alright.

[GreyhoundDaddy]

Sweet.. I'm owning this thread right now!

[zaylagrey]

Hey Coach.. I think you scared them. You can be a little intimidating sometimes . I've been in adoption for three years now. I've visited a track and farm. I've seen dogs come in off the plane in great shape, some in horrible shape, all from different places, and I agree with another poster on here that the truth definitely lies in between. I don't think the dogs are treated poorly at the track by what I had seen. It happens, from what I have seen, after the fact. Not every farm and Kennel is going to treat their dogs the same. There's good and bad. It is good to educate yourself and see for yourself. But don't assume that every farm or kennel in America treat's their dogs the same way the kennel or farm you've seen has. Just giving my 2 cents of what I've experienced.

[Kfamr]

Either that or people just aren't on to comment...Hmmm.
I personally think it's be better if we just dropped this all instead of all the drama between both boards.
People are always going to have their own opinions on racing, breeding, everything... and nothing that's been said here has changed my opinion as of yet. The only thing that will is if there is not ONE dog being harmed, not ONE dog in the shelter..etc.
I still personally wouldn't agree with dogs racing for money, but I would approve of it if ALL of the dogs were treated better.

[guster girl]

Originally posted by GreyhoundDaddy
Wooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Here we go!

Alright people... that was my thread over on GT. If you have questions regarding it's beginnings.. no need... here's the deal. I tried to register here a couple days ago and failed to receive a validation email. SO I emailed an adminstrator and was given a password to use for posting here...THAT'S IT! I wasn't trying to say that I'm some Billy Badass that had a reputation preceeding him. GET OVER IT

I think if you go back and look at Cali's thread that started this whole hullaballoo (nice word, Coach!) I think you'll find that I was calling for her ouster from both boards. I cannot stand people that spout off and dont know a F'ing thing about what they're talking about. What was even more silly than my lame title for a thread, is the fact that WE ALL got hoodwinked and suckered into her little game. Honestly, I think she needs a good spanking, have her internet priveleges taken away by her mommy, and given extra chores! :gmark ! (You gt'ers will know what emoticon I wanna use there)

Savvy?

Oh, btw... I'm CoachGrieber on GT and I'm a Greyaholic.

Hola, Coach! Yeah, I'm guster girl over there on Grey Talk, too. I'm really enjoying reading the threads over there! Very nice site, so far anyway! And, I didn't need an explanation, personally, for your thread over there. I didn't have an issue with anything you said, but, because you quoted me in here, I thought I might. I didn't sense any offensive tone at all in your thread, I thought it was funny. And, "that kind of personality" wasn't meant as a negativism. I just mean, that kind of person who doesn't pull any punches, but, who can do with it humor. anywho...welcome to pet talk!