Thanks QSA, I really had no idea how old she was, just guessing, no she is not one of the kitties at the back, that gave me the great opportunity to go see her, and we took pics of her kitties that we had taken to her.

Unfortunately it turns out the cats and the kittens are outside permanently, they did have shelter under a sofa, but I see its gone, she said it was her daughters, she says she loves animals so much, right, all the kitties are very scared as is the mother, cannot get up to them, she appears to keep Charles a brown cat inside, he was in a nice warm kitty bed when we visited, when I asked do you not keep them inside, she said oh no they would poop and pee everywhere, she is in a two bedroomed place right by the roadside, she said I am scared they will get run over, she found homes for two of them just a few houses away from me, I thought it might be their kitty, but alas no, but found out they have five cats, took two of her kittens, and have adopted Ginge, a ginger friendly young tom who I once found in my pram in the carport, he has been nuetered now AMEN. and good on them.

She is going to take them to the SPCA, so she says, well I tried to convince her to take them to the no kill shelters if possible, but on ringing them they are all full and won't take them unless she spays her cat, they will only charge 40 dollars which is very good., I have not been back yet to tell her, but I am going to see what she thinks, but its not promising for them or this sweet girl as this time of year shelters are overloaded.

One of the petstores may take her, if they sell the others, I cannot afford to keep her, but will try my darnest to find her the perfect home.

Here are the other kitties, how old do you think these ones are Qsa?