BTW, on the whole spanking issue...I can see the point of view that spanking is abusive. Before I had Jaden, I was very adament that I would NOT spank my children. But I soon learned that it is easier said then done. Every child is different and they all have different learning styles. I do have a few personal rules though. I never spank when angry. I always explain why I am spanking him beforehand. I always (after he has time to think) hug him and talk to him about what he did wrong. And I *try* to never use my hands to spank him. I think that hands should be for loving. I do not ever want my son to fear my hands. I use a belt when I spank him. Like I said, he's now at the age where I can ration with him though. I cannot remember the last time that I had to spank him.