An Explanation, and a Plea for Forgiveness...

[Karen]

It is very sad, and we are sure JC is as heartsick as anyone about the whole thing. She, Bella and Charlie will be in my prayers, and I hope yours, for a long time.

Let the healing begin. Let this rest.

Rest in peace Arthur.

[Tonya]

Originally posted by Twisterdog
No one ever says, "I will take that dog into my home for you, then, and I will deal with his aggresion, and I will place my pets and/or children at risk." No, we won't do that ... but we will place blame and find fault.

Originally posted by RottiMommy49
I'm sorry but you are jumping to conclusions here. I'm sure had it been posted that a new home was needed for Arthur than people with experience with Rotti's and aggression would have taken him. I can tell you that we would have taken him in a heartbeat. All our dogs are rescued dogs, all came with baggage and different behavioral problems that I have been able to correct. We all live in harmony here, even when I have a foster dog. So far as judging, your post was judging everyone who took part in the replies. I just wanted to point that out!
Nobody was trying to add salt to open wounds, people were just shocked, upset, sad, etc., human nature. Speaking for myself I really don't believe I was judging and said so in my posts. It's not anyones place to judge another person unless you are God.
I'm not saying anymore about this. Look at posts and quotes from JC. Seems Charlie was the problem from the get go to me.
I still send good wishes to JC and bella and have no hard feeling towards anyone on PT. I have loved it here and still do and hope to be here for many years to come.

Sending my love and hugs to everyone.

There was an old dog named Speedy dropped on my lap this summer. I could not keep him, I could not find a home for him, and his health was failing. After calling many rescues, I asked PT for help rehoming him. No one could take him for me. Which at first was fine to me, I understood, I couldn't have him either. But once I put him to sleep, several people started talking about me behind my back. So I can vouch for that one...she's not jumping to conclusions.

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by RottiMommy49
I'm sorry but you are jumping to conclusions here. I'm sure had it been posted that a new home was needed for Arthur than people with experience with Rotti's and aggression would have taken him. I can tell you that we would have taken him in a heartbeat. All our dogs are rescued dogs, all came with baggage and different behavioral problems that I have been able to correct. We all live in harmony here, even when I have a foster dog. So far as judging, your post was judging everyone who took part in the replies. I just wanted to point that out!
Nobody was trying to add salt to open wounds, people were just shocked, upset, sad, etc., human nature. Speaking for myself I really don't believe I was judging and said so in my posts. It's not anyones place to judge another person unless you are God.
I'm not saying anymore about this. Look at posts and quotes from JC. Seems Charlie was the problem from the get go to me.
I still send good wishes to JC and bella and have no hard feeling towards anyone on PT. I have loved it here and still do and hope to be here for many years to come.

Sending my love and hugs to everyone.

No, I'm not jumping to conclusions. I have done rescue for well over a decade, and worked with humane societies for almost two decades. I have plenty of experience to base my statements on.

It is very, very rare indeed that a known aggresive dog can be place, period. And, as Tonya said so eloquently, it is morally and ethically wrong to place an known aggresive dog with anyone other than a very experienced breed-specific rescue.

I tried for two years to place my two aggresive fosters with such a rescue ... someone who had more time, knowledge and experience than I did with the breeds and aggresion. I had no offers. I saw the same thing time and time and time again working at three different shelters in three different states. I am not jumping to conclusions ... I am speaking from almost twenty years of hard experience.

If you would have taken this dog, and you are qualified to do so, then kudos to you. You are indeed the very rare exception to the rule. However, in probably 99% of the cases, an aggresive dog cannot be placed, period.

[Cataholic]

I am so sorry you had to make such a difficult decision. Please know that I stand behind your decision 100%. I know it pained you to make it, and to read these comments must make you about break down. I am sorry for your double pain.

Hugs to you. RIP, Arthur, you are missed.

[sammy101]

i really wished that this didnt become such a big discussion,i cant imagine how JC must be feeling about this,everyone talking about what happened to her little boy.

again we miss you Arthur

[catnapper]

JC, I am truly, deepkly sorry that you had to make such a tough decision. May he be happy at the RB.

Everyone else: shame on you! Unless you have had to make a decision based on equal situations and circumstances, you are not to judge or berate JC for her decision! JC needs compassion and consideration right now - not out and out agression and venomous words.

Someday one of you will be faced with the same decision... remember that as you judge her. We are not here to judge others. We can only judge ourselves.

[My Peanuts]

Originally posted by catnapper
Everyone else: shame on you! Unless you have had to make a decision based on equal situations and circumstances, you are not to judge or berate JC for her decision! JC needs compassion and consideration right now - not out and out agression and venomous words.

I agree, but I would go one further. Unless you were standing behind her and saw what was happening first hand, then I don't think she should be judged.

[Jods]

I'm sorry to hear about Arthur, my heart aches for you.

[catlady1945]

I am so sorry. I am sure you did what was the right thing to do. Best wishes to Charlie for a speedy recovery.

[QueenScoopalot]

I've been reading this thread for a while, and my heart goes out to you for what I know had to have been a really hard decision to have to make. My tiny chihuahua cross (weighs 5lbs soaking wet) got badly attacked by our biggest dog Greta (125lbs) a few months ago. Peanut's eye was popped from the socket, and her jaw was dislocated, but she did recover. Peanut was the instigater in the whole attack, and I now keep her crated when I'm not there to watch.With Greta it was no doubt a corrective nip, but being huge, she doesn't realize her jaw size! Greta is elderly, and a gentle dog, whereas Arthur was already starting to have aggression problems. Sometimes no matter what we do, things can erupt so quickly. Hope things calm down in your home, and that Charlie heals from his wounds.

[wolf_Q]

Rest in peace, Arthur.

I have one question and I will say no more. Were both male dogs neutered?

[Miranda_Rae]

I am SO sorry about what has happened, and I am sorry that you had to put your dear baby down. I understand, and I agree that it was the best thing to do for him and for your other pets and for the people involved. I am also sorry for the way you have been treated on PT when you came here for support and comfort but instead you got angry words and belittling, and for that I am truely sorry.

With that said, I would just like to say this. I have been reading this thread for awhile, debating wheather or not I should post, and I decided I would. People who aren't standing there, seeing the situation first hand, or aren't INVOLVED in the situation start critizicing without considering peoples feelings or the fact that it has weighed heavily on them, and they did what they thought best. This is EXACTLY one of the reasons that I debated for 2 years wheather or not to join PT. I was afraid, that if I worded something wrong, or said something, or did something wrong I would some nasty replies and some nasty PMs. This is one of the reasons I quite reading PT for awhile and decided to never go back to this website, but after months of not having anything to do with PT, I decided to come back and read things, and it seemed that things had cooled down and people had starting acting civil to each other so I decided to join, but maybe I was wrong. I don't understand what the point is debating wheather or not she should have put Arthur to sleep when there is nothing that can be done or when other people have no control over the situation. i am sorry for going off into a little rampage, but it bothered me and I thought I would say something. Not only are you hurting JC, but you may also be chasing away potentential members of Pet Talk. I do not want people to feel that I am singling anyone out because of their post, but I just feel like I had to say this. There are people who said they didn't agree with it, and they said it nicely, but then there are others that didn't.

[Twisterdog]

THIS is exactly why I have learned to not come to PT for comfort/advice etc, because you never know what you will get. You could be hurting so much you wish you were dead, and then you turn to a place where you thought you could go for comfort, and you get mean and hateful remarks.

That's a terribly sad statement. And what makes it even more sad, is that it is absolutely true.

When I have a cute picture or a funny story once in a while, I'll start a thread here. But honestly, I would NEVER come here with a problem or an issue, because I KNOW it would turn into just another "jump on the criticism bandwagon" fiasco. And I know for a fact that Miranda_Rae and I are NOT the only ones who feel this way ... not by a LONG shot.

[PJ's Mom]

And I know for a fact that Miranda_Rae and I are NOT the only ones who feel this way ... not by a LONG shot.

You're not. I pretty much quit posting here all together. It was causing more stress than it was relieving. Rottie doesn't even come in here anymore for some of the same reasons, and I used to have to pry her away from this site.

[Tonya]

Originally posted by PJ's Mom
You're not. I pretty much quit posting here all together. It was causing more stress than it was relieving. Rottie doesn't even come in here anymore for some of the same reasons, and I used to have to pry her away from this site.

Same here...