Thank you both for the ideas, I really still feel puzzled, he does not seem a very happy chappy, although he is still hungry and eating well, I thought of maybe a chicken bone being stuck there, I would not give him any with bones, but he is outdoor and could have snuck some somewhere, I think i will just book him in on Weds evening at the vets, unless he shows a marked improvement tomorrow, but I don't think he is going to get better overnight, I am so worried about my old guy, he has been trying again tonight to get whatever it is up, he brings up only a little bit of phlegm, and then shakes his head, to get rid of it, poor old guy, I sure hope it is nothing serious,