He's gone..

[shais_mom]

Originally posted by micki76
Nice to see nothing has changed at PT.

Ouch Micki That hurts.



I have to agree tho, that I have felt from the very beginning that the fault lays with her parents. And that quote that Denyce quoted 'got' me also. But I guess that is just the evilness of PT b/c it is such a hateful place right??!!!

[shais_mom]

OK I have thought about it in the half hour since my last post.
Yes, we are hard on people that rehome their dogs. This isn't the first time emotions have taken over and members have left over the same situation. (not saying that anyone is leaving). Why they are different then other pets, I don't know. We should rejoice in the fact that the people know they are in a better home like the beautiful birds, tho I think it was extremely tacky and hurtful to bring that up. I know someone who is deeply hurt by it.
I do not think that Cayter has taken her decision litely and I do think that is the best thing for Ozzy. He is young and the breeder was great enough to take him back so he will be better then before. He has hope. I think what upsets me is the mentality in general. PT excluded of a 'throw away' society. Look around you on PT I can name people who have gotten their pets, myself included, b/c of that mentality. It angers me yes, to no end. But Still in my heart of hearts I feel that the responsiblity lies on Cayter's parents and what they are teaching her as she grows into adulthood. But I also know she is mourning him, she wouldn't have told us about him leaving if she wasn't.

Blast away, everyone, I won't be on here for another 24 hours.

[Kfamr]

Like I've said, to me it's just the fact that she and her family put activities before a life.

You don't know how sick I get reading on the info sheets of dogs at the shelter (Yes, I know he's going to his breeder) saying they were brought in because their owners didn't have time for them. Especially the young dogs..like Ozzy. Why didn't the family think it thouroughly BEFORE? The people that can so easily get rid of their dogs (no,i'm not saying it was easy for Cayter) are the people who can so easily put their child up for adoption, are the people who can so easily give up their child. How confusing it must be, to be a dog living in a wonderful home, being loved.. and then one day you left that place.

I just don't like the fact of animals or kids being thrown around... and I guess I just don't understand why it has to be done, since I couldn't even start to think about getting rid of my dogs before an activity.

We're such a hateful place, for caring about animals.
I don't know why some even bothered commenting.
and I also don't understand why posts were "--deleted--" instead of actually deleted?

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by Denyce

I see this more and more with young people these days. They are just given whatever they want without having to work for it. My parents would never have just given me at the age of 13 a dog as expensive as Ozzie must have been. When I say I bought my first horse at the age of 14 I meant exactly that. I BOUGHT HIM. With money I had been saving since the age of FIVE!. I saved every penny of my birthday, holiday etc money. when I was old enough to babysit that went into the bank account also until I had enough. The whole time my father was telling me I couldn't have a horse because he was afraid of them. When I was 14 he realized I wasn't giving up and that I had the MATURITY AND RESPONSIBILTY to be able to take care of a horse properly.

I just wanted to comment...

We got my first dog, Simba, when I was 10 or 11 years old. He was 8 months old at the time, and is now 6 years old. We got him at the SPCA, which I believe at the time they were so full they were having some sort of deal $15 dollars for dogs. The first day we brought him home, I thought we were going to have to take him back. No, not because I wanted to relax. No, not because I had sports or other things to do. He bit my mom twice. Twice in the first day we had him. I cried and cried with him on our back deck, just thinking as I got the dream of my life, he was going to have to go away. He was extremely aggressive toward new people. He'd growl at my brother and sister if they tried touching him, and my mom would walk the other way because she was afraid of him. We worked with him for months, and for years now. He still isn't completely sure of new people or new dogs, but he's alot better than he used to be. He has his days where he just wants to be left alone, but then there's days when he's completely fine with tons of company.

Then, along came Nala, last year.The 8 week old pup. She pee'd, she tore up things (we had to replace the carpet in 2 rooms because of her), she was a handful and still is. She gets hyper out of nowhere, where she just wants to play play play and won't take no for an answer. She especially likes 1-2oclock in the morning. I think those are her favorite times to run around the house like an insane dog.

I had to work for the both of them. No, I didn't have to pay for them, but I had to prove myself to my parents. I had to show them I was able to take care of a dog. I watched the neighbors dogs, walked them, stopped after school everyday to feed one of them, bathe them. Then before we got Nala, I watched after BluStang24's dog, Honey, alot. she was a puppy, so I figured it'd prove to my father that yes, I could take care of Simba and a puppy... That and i just love honey to death as if she were my own dog.
Almost every cent of the money I do earn, from whatever it may be, goes to buying them toys, treats, or anything else I want to buy them.

I wouldn't trade either of them for a moment of relaxation. To me, relaxing is having them lying with me, playing with them, taking them places. They're like children to me.
Our lawn is a disaster because of them. They wake me up, when i'd rather sleep, because they have to go out. They get baths weekly. They're alot of work, and sometimes stress.. but in my opinion everything pays off when they're laying beside you at night. The laughs, the antics, everything about them makes me smile. My world revolves around them basically.


Just now, my mother asked me if I wanted to go watch a Ski Show. I was thinking " Yeah, sure, i'd love to go... take pictures or something." My first question was, "Are you allowed to bring dogs?" She said no, so I said no. I barely ever go anywhere without them.

[trayi52]

Kay, that is what I call devotion! A 16 year old that feels that way? That is indeed a compliment to any other teen!

Willie

[shais_mom]

Originally posted by shais_mom
Ouch Micki That hurts.



I have to agree tho, that I have felt from the very beginning that the fault lays with her parents. And that quote that Denyce quoted 'got' me also. But I guess that is just the evilness of PT b/c it is such a hateful place right??!!!

BTW

I am not calling this a hateful place myself. I just have heard this around the grapevine... I think it is a wonderful place, I wouldn't have spent 4 years of my internet life on it. AND some of my closest and deepest friendships have come from this place, and I wouldn't trade it for the world.

[Amber]

Kay, that is what I had to do exactly for my dogs. I had to sho w them I was responsible.

As with this Ozzy thing, I think its really bothering everyone that cayter put her activitys before her own dog. and im curious too, what about Darlin?

[Karen]

Everyone, Darlin' is an older dog, not a pup. Darlin' is an adult, stable and demands less time and attention than a young pup especially of a Collie - they are herding dogs, active, bright and energetic.

I am sure Cayter's heart is broken over this.

No one needs to post here about what they think of Cayter's parents - THEY do not read Pet Talk. And, frankly, I think Cayter is being as responsible in this situation as she can be. She tried for months to work it out. She contacted the breeder, and made arrangement there. She did not do any of the awful things that are often done to dogs. I won't go into the the "coulda beens" - because they aren't going to happen.

Do not yell at her, please. You wanna yell? PM me and yell!

But the strength of Pet Talk is that we care. We care about animals. This causes dissention sometimes, but only because we DO care.

And that's a good thing.

[Kfamr]

Last I recall, I do believe Darlin is only a year. Maybe a few months older? However, no matter of age, still need love and attention (not saying she isn't recieving such, just wondering if it's possible)

[Uabassoon]

Last I recall, I do believe Darlin is only a year. Maybe a few months older? However, no matter of age, still need love and attention (not saying she isn't recieving such, just wondering if it's possible)

Yes but I think the attention needed is different. I think while maybe the attention Darling needs could easily be supplied by a short walk and sitting on her lap while watching tv or working on her school work. Where as Ozzy needed daily runs and more outdoor type of activies. I also think Darlin is more of a family dog and Ozzy was her dog.

[chocolatepuppy]

After another day of thinking about this to me it is simple- she thought she wanted a dog and she found out she didn't.It happens every day that's why all these dogs are killed off in shelters every day, because people thought they wanted a dog and they didn't.
As for her going back to the breeder- no matter how good of a breeder or person she is, that's not always a guarantee of a good home or forever home.
I too question the parents role in this???My thoughts and prayers are with Ozzy.

[catnapper]

Oy! I've avoided this thread until now because I knew it would turn into this. I am sorry that poor Ozzie has to be rehomed, but I do feel that Foam has his very best interrest at heart. For a while, I had to seriously reconsider having Nicki with me, since she and my husband's dog DID NOT get along. At the time, I was newly married... even though we had introduced them slowly over the months leading up to the wedding, their full-time living together was a disaster. She has scars up and down her face from where Sammie shredded her face not once but twice. After the second time, I was ready to send her to my mom because that was no life for her. At lest at my mom's I knew she would be loved and cared for. She was not in a good, safe place with me, even though she was a part of my soul. Long story short, a day after the second attack, Sammie started limpng then she was paralysed. She died less than a week later. We don't know what happened... cancer? a stroke?

As for me, I felt that I was the selfish one for keeping her after the first attack. I kicked myself for not sending her to my mom's right after the first attack happened. Of course the second attack was far more vicious. I was beside myself with grief over the hurt she was going through. She was bleeding and in pain because I was being a selfish person by insisting she remain in my life. I knew my mom was where she belonged. If Sammie hadn't gotten sick, that's where she would be today. There's no way I would have allowed her to live with a dog that attacked her. Sammie was not a vicious dog... they just were completely jealous of ANY affection I gave the other. I tried to give them both love and affection, but gosh, it was hard divying it out when the other wasn't around to witness it. and it the fights got more and more frequent.

I know Foam's sitation has a different set of circumstances, but I'm sure she feels the same way. I'm sure she knows that he needs something different than anything she can provide. She's being honest with herself and to Ozzie by rehoming him. Why is everyone blasting the poor girl? I know my kids are as busy - if not busier. My one daughter plays for three soccer teams (two are year round) My son runs year round on several teams and my other daughter swims AND plays soccer year round. We know that getting a second dog would be too much, but thats us. Sometimes people want something but forget the amount of work and time invlved. We cannot fault her for wanting to love another thing.

We don't know why Foam does these activites. As for my kids, they do them because they are GOOD. Its basically their ticket to college. My son is a senior in Septemeber and has already had his highschool coaches tell him that the college coaches are ready to offer scholarships. We'll see what they have to offer next week when they are officially allowed to talk to him My youngest will be a freshman and she's already seen college scouts at her games. Perhaps Foam is using her music in the same fashion. When you have a talent or gift like that, you need to foster and make it grow first. If she cannot handle the work load of school and other activities, then she is being mature in admitting it.

Anyway, I'm sorry for the long-winded post I have kept to myself for a while, mainly because I didn't know what to say, or how to say what I felt.

[dukedogsmom]

Originally posted by micki76
Nice to see nothing has changed at PT.

I agree that that comment was uncalled for. Especially after "leaving" PT months ago and then coming back just to leave that comment. Sorry if we care for the welfare of animals. And, even in real family life, I might point out that things aren't always sunshine and roses. I, too, wonder why the posts weren't just deleted instead of typing "deleted" in them all. And Kay, you are indeed one of the teens here to be admired.

[Moose]

Originally posted by dukedogsmom
I, too, wonder why the posts weren't just deleted instead of typing "deleted" in them all.

Because people have still quoted my posts in their own, and many times I'll read through a thread, see a quote, and then try to find the post it was originally in not realizing it had been deleted. What harm is there in that? Good Lord, must we bicker about something as tiny as that? Why even bring it up? Big, freaking deal. Ay yi yi ...

[EssTer]

I'm really sorry that you need to do that.. but.. I really hope he'll get new, good homes...He'll be always in your heart! {{{hugs}}}}