Bush Expresses "Deep Disgust"

**RICHARD** · 05-10-2004, 02:48 PM

Some of the soldier's families and soldiers themselves made statements that they were "never trained to handle prisoners"..

I always thought humanity was a virtue, not a another 2 week class in basic training.

**carole** · 05-10-2004, 04:16 PM

Yeah sounds like they are trying to make excuses for their behaviour, for which there are none.

**popcornbird** · 05-11-2004, 01:33 AM

According to the Red Cross..........

Abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers was widespread and routine, the report finds — contrary to President Bush's contention that the mistreatment "was the wrongdoing of a few."

I find this incredibly distrubing. I wonder if they have been doing this for ages, and it was just NOW that they got exposed for their evil doings. What's the difference between Saddam and these US troops? Really........if you think about it........what's the difference?

They're doing EXACTLY the same thing.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...prisoner_abuse

**2kitties** · 05-11-2004, 09:06 AM

It's awful Pops and those guilty lowlifes should be courtmarshalled, punished and made to serve as examples.

But to compare an honorable American Soldier to Saddam is --- well-- I don't have words for how wrong it is. When my father, grandfather, 2 uncles, and great great grandfathers served our country, not to meantion many other of my loved ones, I can promise you with all my heart they were on a level of humanity that Saddam Hussein could never even imagine, much less aspire to.

I hope we can all believe that you can't liken the average American soldier to this nastiness any more than you can liken the average Muslim to terrorism, or the average black person to gangs or the average southerner to racism or--- the list goes on. Isn't that kind of generalization what we've all been fighting against?

**Logan** · 05-11-2004, 10:15 AM

I totally agree with you, 2kitties. Does that scare you?

Ha Ha!!!

**RICHARD** · 05-11-2004, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by popcornbird
What's the difference between Saddam and these US troops? Really........if you think about it........what's the difference?

Saddam was pulling body parts off of HIS people, gassing them
and bending them into shapes that no human body could endure.

Who spoke for them???

If it's any consolation, the people tortured in this scandal at least have a voice.

**popcornbird** · 05-11-2004, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by 2kitties
It's awful Pops and those guilty lowlifes should be courtmarshalled, punished and made to serve as examples.

But to compare an honorable American Soldier to Saddam is --- well-- I don't have words for how wrong it is. When my father, grandfather, 2 uncles, and great great grandfathers served our country, not to meantion many other of my loved ones, I can promise you with all my heart they were on a level of humanity that Saddam Hussein could never even imagine, much less aspire to.

OHHHH I didn't mean to compare every American soldier to Saddam. I did not mean that AT ALL!!! I was comparing the ones involved in the sexual/physical abuse of the prisoners. Those people, have no honor in my eyes. You cannot generalize all of the troops because of this, because most of them, simply, are NOT such people. I was comparing the ones involved in the abuse to Saddam..........no one else! Don't get me wrong.

**Logan** · 05-11-2004, 12:57 PM

I'm glad you explained yourself, PCB!!!

**2kitties** · 05-11-2004, 02:26 PM

I know what ya mean Pops. Didn't mean to sound like I was pointing you out. Just wanted to clarify that there are decent- more decent than I'll ever be- people in the American service. And I know that there are more people than not in the service and even the goverment who have honorable intentions for this quagmire we call the war against terror.

Then there are those who make MILITARY prisoners get naked and be humiliated and abused.
Then there are these people: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html whose idea of en eye for an eye toward CIVILIANS is clearly nearsighted.

**RICHARD** · 05-11-2004, 02:51 PM

I tried to post the Nick Berg story earlier.

What a bunch of brave people those terrorists are, hiding their faces in the photos and videos...
and then yelling "god is great" right before they
cut this guys head off...

Chances are we won't hear squat from the arab league about that....

We also have the palestinian's using dead Israeli's bodies as barganing chips...

You know, I was pretty disgusted with the photos from the Iraqi prison, that showed all of humanity sinking to new depths...But to make a video tape of an execution like that shows why the whole world has to band together to stop this kind of madness...

I liken it to living in a neighborhood and having the police kicking down doors trying to find criminals living in that area....If the people on that street refuse to assist the authorities in eliminating this kind of scum, those same people have NO right to complain and moan about that kind of police action taking place.

**DJFyrewolf36** · 05-11-2004, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by RICHARD

I always thought humanity was a virtue, not a another 2 week class in basic training.

Well said Richard! You'd think....

**popcornbird** · 05-11-2004, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by 2kitties
I know what ya mean Pops. Didn't mean to sound like I was pointing you out. Just wanted to clarify that there are decent- more decent than I'll ever be- people in the American service. And I know that there are more people than not in the service and even the goverment who have honorable intentions for this quagmire we call the war against terror.

Then there are those who make MILITARY prisoners get naked and be humiliated and abused.
Then there are these people: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html whose idea of en eye for an eye toward CIVILIANS is clearly nearsighted.

So you know what I meant? Does that mean you were calling the troops that committed these acts honorable?!?!

My goodness. I don't think people forcing others to commit homosexual acts with each other, having sex with prisoners, pulling naked prisoners on a leash, terrorizing them by tying them up naked and surrounding them with dogs, abusing and humiliating them, etc. are honorable in ANY sense of the word! The soldier that has the most honor in my eyes is the one who exposed this whole situation. He sure is one wonderful, brave man, who had the courage to do the right thing. I know there are MANY good ones like him. I was only comparing the troops committing these abuses to Saddam.

I know.......I just read that story on CNN. I have no words to describe my anger on that.

I hate these people. I hate all of this crap going on in the world. I hate it. Sickening..........absolutely sickening.

As to what you said about US troops doing it to military people, I'm listening to the radio right now, and they're saying 90% of the people held in the prison are innocent and have nothing to do with anything going on. 90% are NOT military prisoners. Our troops that did this, abused innocent people as well. I hate them all.....(the troops committing these crimes as well as those crazy, mad Al-Qaeda/Saddam people).

Sometimes I wish I wasn't born in this crazy world.

**2kitties** · 05-11-2004, 03:47 PM

Pops, where do you get that I said the abuse was honorable? That isn't at all what I was saying. You know me better than that.

**RICHARD** · 05-11-2004, 03:49 PM

pcb,

This is a real touchy subject for everyone.

There are times when I read thru a post and get really angry, then, for good measure, I read thru it again and see that I drop words and read with my heart..

If I may...

There are America soldiers, citizens and citizen/soldiers who are rebuilding Iraq as we speak....The only time we hear about them is when they are assasinated for trying to help the people of Iraq....

The people who are in charge of MOST of the Middle eastern countries would like nothing better than to see the US fall flat on their faces.....

I mean, here comes a country and does more for the people than the people in charge.

Who's the evil empire then?

**popcornbird** · 05-11-2004, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by 2kitties
Pops, where do you get that I said the abuse was honorable? That isn't at all what I was saying. You know me better than that.

Oh I'm so sorry. I guess I misunderstood you. I went back and read your post, and wondered where on earth I got that from. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Of course I know you better than that.........that is why I was shocked that you would say something like that. Now that I went back, I see that I misread your post. Next time, I will read posts 10 times before hitting the reply button.