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    I really believe this is a good thing for U.S. officials to do &
    I hope it helps somewhat.

    p.s. The last paragraph is a little ironic.

    Top U.S. Officials Apologize To Arabs for Prisoner Abuse

    By Robin Wright
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, May 5, 2004; Page A19


    The Bush administration's top foreign policy officials publicly apologized yesterday to the Arab world for abuse of Iraqi detainees by U.S. personnel at notorious Abu Ghraib prison, and officials said President Bush today would join the effort to limit damage from the revelations.



    Bush will conduct two 10-minute interviews today with the U.S.-sponsored al-Hurra television network and the Arab network al-Arabiya, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said last night.

    "This is an opportunity for the president to speak directly to the people in Arab nations and let them know that the images that we all have seen are shameless and unacceptable," McClellan said.

    In interviews with the al-Arabiya, al-Jazeera and Lebanese television networks, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice expressed sorrow yesterday about the treatment of Iraqi detainees and regret for the humiliation of them and their families.

    "The American president is reacting because no American wants to be associated with any dehumanizations now of the Iraqi people. And we are deeply sorry for what has happened to these people and what the families must be feeling. It's just not right. And we will get to the bottom of what happened," Rice told al-Arabiya, a regional network broadcast from Dubai.

    "It's simply unacceptable that anyone would engage in the abuse of Iraqi prisoners," she said.

    The language from several ranking U.S. officials was striking for its remorse and embarrassment over the photos of U.S. personnel apparently abusing Iraqis at the prison made famous for torture during Saddam Hussein's 24-year rule. The White House has scurried to pull together a response after "shock waves" rippled through the administration this week over the damage done in the Arab world, said an envoy from a country familiar with the U.S. reaction.

    At the United Nations, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said yesterday that the photos had "stunned every American. It was shocking. It showed acts that are despicable" and totally out of character for the U.S. military, he told reporters after a meeting with Secretary General Kofi Annan, and European Union and Russian officials on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    "I'm deeply concerned at the horrible image this has sent around the world. But at the same time, I want to remind the world that it's a small number of troops who acted in an illegal, improper manner," Powell said, reflecting the approach the administration is taking in dealing with the issue.

    Rice and Powell stressed that U.S. troops had intervened in Iraq to liberate Iraqis and promote democratic freedoms throughout the region. "Let's not let that take away from the magnificent contributions being made by most of our soldiers, the vast majority of our soldiers, who are building schools, repairing hospitals, who are defending themselves, going after the bad guys, but also putting in sewer systems for the people of Iraq," Powell said on CNN's "Larry King Live."

    But Powell, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who served twice in Vietnam, also said he had never heard of or seen behavior like this during his military career.

    The administration is coming under growing heat from Congress as well. Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, called the prisoners' treatment "appalling" and called for the White House to address the fallout "with far more urgency than the administration has demonstrated so far."

    Biden called the alleged abuse "the single most damaging act" to U.S. interests in the Middle East in a decade and warned that it would have a broad and negative impact on U.S. national security.

    In an interview with al-Hurra television, Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage acknowledged that long-term damage had been done to U.S. relations in the region.

    "It will take a long time, however, I think, for us to recover," Armitage said.

    Rice said the United States believes it is "extremely important" to talk directly to Arab and Islamic audiences to underscore the U.S. goal of promoting peace and democratic values.

    The State Department announced it is postponing release of its annual report on U.S. support for human rights and democracy around the world, which had been scheduled for today. According to a statement, the report was delayed for "technical reasons." On Monday, however, the State Department had announced that the document was ready to be unveiled.
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    Originally posted by carole


    But I know who I would turn to in times of need THE US FORCES, they saved our country once before, and I would hope like heck they would again.

    Send me Kylie Minogue and we'll call it even, ok?

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    Well mate I would but she is a blimey Aussie, how about Lucy Lawless ZENA WARRIOR PRINCESS, now she is one of ours.
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    RIP my gorgeous Sooti, taken from us far too young, we miss your beautiful face and purssonality,take care of Ash for us, love you xx000❤️❤️

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    Originally posted by lizbud
    I really believe this is a good thing for U.S. officials to do &
    I hope it helps somewhat.


    But Powell, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who served twice in Vietnam, also said he had never heard of or seen behavior like this during his military career.

    Not when Powell starts to lie....Where was he during the My Lai massacre...asleep?


    Originally posted by carole
    Well mate I would but she is a blimey Aussie, how about Lucy Lawless ZENA WARRIOR PRINCESS, now she is one of ours.
    lolololol,

    I'll pay for the shipping.....
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    It's a deal mate, just going offline to ring her right now, sure she won't mind, she has just finished being a judge on NZ IDOL, so I reckon she is free right now.lol
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    RIP my gorgeous Sooti, taken from us far too young, we miss your beautiful face and purssonality,take care of Ash for us, love you xx000❤️❤️

    RIP my beautiful Ash,your pawprints are forever in my heart, love and miss you so much my big boy. ❤️❤️

    RIP my sweet gorgeous girl Ellie-Mae, a little battler to the end, you will never ever be forgotten, your little soul is forever in my heart, my thoughts, my memories, my love for you will never die, Love you my darling little precious girl.❤️❤️

    RIP our sweet Nikita taken suddenly ,way too soon ,you were a special girl we loved you so much ,miss you ❤️❤️

    RIP my beautiful Lexie, 15 years of unconditional love you gave us, we loved you so much, and miss you more than words can say.❤️❤️

    RIP beautiful Evee Ray Skye ,my life will never be the same with out you ,I loved you so much, I will never forget you ,miss you my darling .❤️❤️

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    After My Lai, Powell, the Americal division G-3, was busy burying the story.

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    Originally posted by Lady's Human
    After My Lai, Powell, the Americal division G-3, was busy burying the story.
    AHA!

    Just what I suspected!

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    We should have just bull dozed the prison, as a gesture to the Iraqis and found someplace else to keep the prisoners...

    I really think that this will blow over soon. Al Jazeera will go on to the next horror show soon enough.....it's all about ratings anyway.
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    Let's put this situation into a parable. Let's say there are several young children whose father is a horrible tyrant who delights in abusing and humiliating them. They spend their whole lives terrified of this bully, and because of it are afraid of everything and everyone. They cannot trust their own father so they learn not to trust anyone.

    So when their home gets busted into by child services, they are scared, worried and skeptical. The social workers tell them they are there to save them from their horrible father and that soon they will have a wonderful family life like every kid deserves.

    The social workers work hard to gain their trust, because these kids have seen so much before and are incredibly jaded. They know their father, they know his abuses, if nothing else he was predictable. Rather the devil you know...

    But then some of the social workers start to do some of the same things their dad did. Abusing them in every way, but quietly, and the other social workers choose to look away. No one in charge stops this.

    Could those social workers and the government tell those children:

    "Well, what your father did was worse."

  9. Blow over soon????? That what I keep hoping will happen with the whole Iraq invasion (and the Bush adminstration.)

    The problem with the moral high road is that is is hard to keep your balance at that altitude.

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    Originally posted by Soledad
    Let's put this situation into a parable.

    You forgot the part when the fox thinks the grape are sour!


    And the part where the kids go nuts and try to kill the social workers with AK 74s, RPGs and improvised bombs after they get rid of the evil father.

    The social workers, frustrated because they are playing by the rules, flip out and start doing stupid things......

    While all this is going on, some of the bad kids call for martyrdom, while they hide out in a religious shrines thumbing their noses at the social workers.

    None of the good kids will rat out the bad kids who kill the social workers, burn the bodies and desecrate them by hanging them off a bridge-Even though the kid's basic values say that doing that is a real NO-NO!

    The moral of the story?

    Behave yourself, put all your pride aside and sit down and try to talk things over. THAT way there won't be so many problems and everyone works towards the good of all.

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    "Well, what your father did was worse."

    Yep, but it was OK when dad did it......because he loved us, the social workers don't...

    Instead of the "nudie bomb" we should go for the "common sense" bomb.......that way people will wake up and really see the stupidity behind the 'bad kids' logic..

    But what do you expect from people who are still traumatized by the crusades of 1096? Talk about harboring a grudge...

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    Again,

    It's not a problem of "dad was a jerk".

    It's the age old problem of the police showing up at a 'domestic disturbance' and having the person reporting the hassle telling the police, while sporting a black eye, missing teeth and a few bruises, "Please don't them to jail, I LOVE HIM/HER.." Don't call the cops, get the person arrested and fail to testify at the trial.

    Take the phone off the hook, close the doors and beat the crap out of each other, finish it once and for all.

    Save the world some time.
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    Now you got me: into politics!

    In any nation there are only a few who are bad and abusers and criminals. (This is true because genetically we are all extremely similar, even if we include all the differences you can see).

    What happens when a nation looks away while these criminals slowly take over and eventually do what they want can be seen in German history. It is one of the biggest historical catastrophes mankind has seen and can never be forgotten. It started with some crazy guys demonstrating in Munich in the 1920s and there were too many who didn't take it serious.

    I believe strictly in the rights of man and in the moral values of our occidental democracies (I don't believe that others have no moral values, but ours are part of my personal culture, so I understand them better. I see the roots of these values not so much in religion but in the area of enlightenment.).

    And I think we have to hold them up strongly under any circumstance.

    As with any criminal I may understand why he/she came to do what he/she did- but a state has to judge these deeds on a legal background.

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    Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary


    The problem with the moral high road is that is is hard to keep your balance at that altitude.
    Yes, I said "blow over soon....."


    Some stupid suicide bomber, Muslim cleric or coalition death will distract us for a moment and the world will be OK.

    Pull out you road map and try to find the right street, as opposed to asking for directions at every corner-Or you'll be driving the 'moral side streets' running over animals and knocking over trashcans in search of the way around the accident.

    Stay on the pavement, obey all traffic rules, buckle your seatbelt and keep your hands at 10 and 2.

    Just a reminder,
    THIS SITUATION IS NOT GOOD. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE-It's about having the same indignation about any human rights violation....
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    by the way...

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  14. Sorry, but in my moral code, the fact that someone else is bad does NOT give me permission to be bad.

    If I see you steal ten things from the store, does that give me permission to steal two?

    We were not invited in to "liberate" Iraq. The government decided to send our troops there. We wanted to shine the light of freedom on these oppressed people. Show them the way.

    THIS SITUATION IS NOT GOOD. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE-It's about having the same indignation about any human rights violation....
    It IS about what was done.

    Behave yourself, put all your pride aside and sit down and try to talk things over. THAT way there won't be so many problems and everyone works towards the good of all.
    Some of us thought this would have been a good idea in the first place.

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    I think the government is handling it very well. It is very important to communicate our disgust over this to everyone!
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