I am curious as to which faith you belong? you have certainly opened up a can of worms for discussion here, I have to say I could not disagree with you more , especially on your last statement about men making the final decisions and women not holding positions in any church, and women submitting to their husbands, this is 2004, regardless of your faith surely you can see this is wrong to have women still treated as second class citizens, however I respect your beliefs and you have a right to them, I just feel completely the opposite to you in most of the things you said, except that people can be christians without going to church, that one I agree with 100 per cent.