Here I am still ranting. I hate this guilt thing that some money hungry vets use on us. I am blessed with a vet who lets ME make decisions like this. For example, RB Ernie was in renal failure. I could have brought him in for bloodwork to monitor his deterioration and given him sub-q fluids to prolong his life but I CHOSE not to add to his stress with vet visits. He died naturally in his sleep and never showed signs of pain. Maybe I could have kept him a few weeks, months - longer. Who knows? But he HATED going to the vets and my CHOICE was to spare him the stress. He was 17 and had a pampered and good life. RB Bert - Missy and I took him in to be PTS because he had cancer and was showing his pain and was very weak and not eating. He died while we held him. He was also 17 or 18. I keep vet visits to a minimum unless I feel worried about something, and then I am the first to take them in. (remember Emily's *tumor* ?) it was F A T