death from guns -- statistics

[babolaypo65]

Since the subject of Bowling for Columbine came up, I think its important to point out that while we each have differing views regarding gun ownership, rights... the kids who did the Columbine killings had access to weapons that NO kid should ever have access to (grenades, automatic weapons...) And in my opinion, several of those weapons should NOT BE SOLD legally, ever. You don't need automatic weapons to hunt, and they aren't useful for target shooting. Their usefulness for home protection could, perhaps, be debated, but when weighed against the negative potential outcomes, I think they should not be sold. Period.

[RICHARD]

guns are not dangerous.

it's the moron pulling the triggers.

i like guns in the way they are styled and the precision involved in sport shooing.

no, i do not NRA or think guns should be banned or taken away.

the laws need to be changed THIS way.

you purchase a gun you go thru the background check

you purchase a gun, you are responsible for it until you sell it or pass it to a child(18 yearsold)/relative/spouse. you still are responsible for it until the paperwork/back ground check changes the ownership of the weapon.

should that weapon be stolen from you-you are responsible until you notify the police.

should a crime be committed with that firearm you are responsible
as the criminal - unless you have contacted the authorities that the gun was stolen

people need to be held responsible for the guns they purchase..
make the people who purchase auto weapon take out insurance on the weapons.....

the reasons that people act stupid with guns and firearms is that they are not held responsible....until recently a child that took a
gun to school was expelled and that was it now, should a gun that was owned by the parents show up on campus, parents are being held responsible..


i'd get into violence on TV or movies or video games........but
if people cannot monitor their kids playing video games, chances are they don't give a flying handshake if their kids take a gun to school......



shoot,

[babolaypo65]

Uh-oh, looks like Richard and I are going to agree to disagree.
Though I DO agree: if your gun is used in a crime you should be held responsible unless you've reported it missing. If your car is, you are.
And I agree that parents should be held responsible for their children's crimes with the parents' gun. (Again, just as with a car...)
I still don't think automatic weapons should be sold, the cost outweighs the benefit to society in my opinion.

[carole]

Well we manage quite nicely in nz without owning guns, i know we are a little country, and i guess thats where the difference is, less crime, but i for one would hate to see it like the states, there are far too many gun owners who are just not responsible, thats the problem.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by babolaypo65
Uh-oh, looks like Richard and I are going to agree to disagree.

I still don't think automatic weapons should be sold, the cost outweighs the benefit to society in my opinion.

it figures you'd break rank......

you are so unbelievabley naive....


just think a second.


man approaches teller at bank..

hold up, put all the money in the bag.

yes, but is that a rubberband in your hand?

yes it is and i'm NOT AFRAID TO USE IT......
I'll put your eye OUT WITH IT...

i have a CUP FILLED with rubber bands on my desk
and there are days i want to fill my pockets and roam
work shooting people in the ass.....but i control myself and don't do it......

should we register them???

btw guess why there are no rubberband assault weapons???

too hard to load!

[babolaypo65]

Would you mind changing naive to innocent? It's been so long since someone called me innocent... I'd much prefer that term.....

Originally posted by RICHARD
it figures you'd break rank......

you are so unbelievabley naive....

[carole]

RICHARD mate you are such a smart ass, I LOVE IT, your threads always bring a smile to my face cheers mate

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by babolaypo65
Would you mind changing naive to innocent? It's been so long since someone called me innocent... I'd much prefer that term.....

sorry.

innocent it is!

[babolaypo65]

Thanks richard! I feel young again....

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by babolaypo65
Thanks richard! I feel young again....

cool,

pass it on!!!

[Edwina's Secretary]

-Fifteen American children die from gunshot wounds every day.

-Guns are the top killer of youth in California.

-The US lead the world in using guns to kill its children. In 1997, of all the firearms deaths of kids under the age of 15 in 26 industrialized nations, 86% of the victims were in the United States.
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Jeb Bush addressed the NRA convention recently and said..."The sound of gunfire you hear is the sound of freedom."

I believe the sound of gunfire I hear is the sound of our children being killed.

I have never heard of a driveby knifing....or anyone getting caught in gang crossknifing.

Assault rifles....armour piercing bullets...is that what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote about the right to bear arms as a part of a standing militia????????

[catland]

We were discussing guns and safety with a friend last night, and he mentioned that in Switzerland, they are required to learn how to use a rifle when they are 18 or so. Now I don't know if this is true or not. He also mentioned that they have a very low crime rate.

What can we learn from this? Since guns are a way of life here, lets teach our kids to use guns just as we teach them to drive a car. For starters, it would help remove the mystique around guns. Especially if they had to take a test! (I don't have the statistics, but I'm guessing that more people die from car accidents then they do from guns, if I'm wrong, please correct me. )

Can't you imagine a kid groaning to his friends "I can't meet you after school, I have to go target practice - there's a big test tomorrow".

[Soledad]

I don't think that it would be wise to educate every child under 18 years about proper gun usage at this time. We would need to address a whole bunch of other issues before doing this. It may work in other countries, but that doesn't mean it would work here. There are so many things to consider, but our cultures are too different to mean that it would make things better here.

EdwinasSecretary - we are, not too surprisingly, on the same page!

[RICHARD]

kids need to be taken to a morgue and shown what
an assault rifle bullet can do.

a hunting rifle with a full metal jacket bullet does less damage than an assault rifle with the same projectile..an assault rifle bullet tumbles after a bit-THAT'S what causes the HOLES in a body-

the rifling in the barrel of a sports/hunting rifle ( the grooves that make the bullet spin and go farther ) is the reason you can target shoot over distance. an assault rifle 'allows' the user to spread more bullets, faster, in one direction.

people need to be shown the consequences of what a
bullet can do-you cannot push the reset button on the console and start over again.
also the glamourization of guns in music (early 90's) was pretty funny-go back and look at 'cop killer' from ice cube tray, or whatever his name is.


i kinda question the 'guns are the top killer of youth in california' if so why are there a bunch of a hole adults shooting at each other??? and how did they get to be so old it they are supposed to be shot dead when they are teens???

love to see that california stat and where it came from...

(this opinion has an error rate of + or - three
percentage points)

[catland]

When my husband took a gun safety test (that I plan to take this summer), on of the first thing that the instructor did was show them a single bullet.

He then went on to say "this is a million dollar bullet. Because if you shoot and kill someone, their family will sue you. They will take away everything from you. All your possesions, everything you've worked for. So before you pull that trigger, you have to ask yourself, is it worth it? "