What's w/all the neutering???

[IttyBittyKitty]

[HEAVY SARCASM] Carlotta, you are obviously know EVERYTHING there is to know about cats. You must have put a LOT of research into those theories of yours. [END /HEAVY SARCASM]

To echo the sentiment of Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that.

Originally posted by Carlotta
Ok, first off. I do care about my animals. I have 2 females. One is Carlotta-a calico(email me at [email protected] for piccys)and she is pregnant and very happy too!

I hope you find homes for each and every one of those kittens.

[BastetsMum]

First off:

1. Whiskas and Purina websites with flashy pictures on them and targeting people who are guillible enough NOT to read the labels on the cans of catfood DOES NOT offer good advice relating to anything to do with cats. They are out to sell. Also if you actually DID do your research you wouldn't have alienated everyone on this forum. Ditto to the *troll* comment.

2. If your calico gets into difficulty birthing are you going to let her die rather than see a vet who is *just out for money*?

3. Have you ever had a cat hit by a car? If you have what did you do?

Finally, I have seen and met smarter 8 year olds.

[IttyBittyKitty]

Originally posted by YellowLabLover
And don't let my foot get up there too far.

... Sums it up nicely!

[kitten645]

No1 said you were my friend.

You said you were your cats friend. Hence my comment on enemies. Seems you are quite outnumbered around here little girl. Perhaps you might find another sandbox to play in. You ARE ignorant.

[aly]

Ok I am REALLY mad now and I have to say that you HAVE NOT done your research that you say you've done. My cat and fosters are 100% INDOOR ONLY and are happy as can be. I provide cat trees for them to climb on and have tons and tons of mind stimulating toys to keep their brains working. We also play laser which lets them hunt while they're indoors and safe.

Do NOT ever call the Humane Society the UNhumane Society. I take great offense to that because I work there. What would happen if we started giving cats away for free? For one, a lot of testing labs would just go to the shelter to get their victims to torture and do tests on. I think its better to be put to sleep peacefully than to be tortured and neglected to death. The price also covers the costs of SPAYING and NEUTERING which a lot of shelters REQUIRE, not all shelters do require it but most do.

To say that every single stray is happy .. well thats completely naive. I am sure there are happy strays, but I'd be willing to bet there are TONS more who are unhappy. You are judging only by what you see. The general public has blinders on when it comes to the overpopulation problem. If you don't see it, you probably won't realize it.

And you are so offended by the responses, but look at your posts and look at your poll. You are just asking for controversy, as most young people on the net do.

This is a courteous site full of friendly people who love their cats. Please stop being so confrontational and offensive. Thank you.

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by aly
Ok I am REALLY mad now and I have to say that you HAVE NOT done your research that you say you've done. My cat and fosters are 100% INDOOR ONLY and are happy as can be. I provide cat trees for them to climb on and have tons and tons of mind stimulating toys to keep their brains working. We also play laser which lets them hunt while they're indoors and safe.

Do NOT ever call the Humane Society the UNhumane Society. I take great offense to that because I work there. What would happen if we started giving cats away for free? For one, a lot of testing labs would just go to the shelter to get their victims to torture and do tests on. I think its better to be put to sleep peacefully than to be tortured and neglected to death. The price also covers the costs of SPAYING and NEUTERING which a lot of shelters REQUIRE, not all shelters do require it but most do.

To say that every single stray is happy .. well thats completely naive. I am sure there are happy strays, but I'd be willing to bet there are TONS more who are unhappy. You are judging only by what you see. The general public has blinders on when it comes to the overpopulation problem. If you don't see it, you probably won't realize it.

And you are so offended by the responses, but look at your posts and look at your poll. You are just asking for controversy, as most young people on the net do.

This is a courteous site full of friendly people who love their cats. Please stop being so confrontational and offensive. Thank you.

Well said.

[bluekat]

OMG, I didn't know that keeping cats indoors could make them have a boring life!!!! yeah right......
Well, my Blueberry is strictly indoors, and he seems pretty happy to me. He actually is kind of afraid of going outside, so he's fine like this.
I wish there are no stray cats out there, they have a very short life. I sometimes see cats dead on the streets, how do we prevent that? By keeping them indoors and spaying or neutering. If you just let them have unwanted litters, all that creates are more cats, with the many chances of being killed.

[bluekat]

Oh yeah, forgot to add. If I were a cat, I'd rather be living in a nice home with loving owners instead of out on the streets constantly hunting for food, and only being able to live a few short years.

[K & L]

It's quite obvious this person doesn't think or feel the way we do. I would say it's not worth the argument!

[Cheshirekatt]

Originally posted by K & L
It's quite obvious this person doesn't think or feel the way we do. I would say it's not worth the argument!

My thoughts exactly.

[Nomilynn]

My guess is this idiot doens't really have pets, is sitting at home with a bunch of his/hers (like it matters) 15yr old friends, and thought, "hey wouldn't it be fun to get a bunch a people REALLY pi**ed off?"

Ignore it, and it won't be fun for whoever this is anymore.

Oh and by the way, after reading a unintelligable post like this, I have to say that to all the people who actually ARE involved in rescue that you have even MORE of my respect and admiration, because even though I don't really believe that "Carlotta" is a real pet owner etc, I do know that there are a LOT of dumb people out there who don't know their facts. Kudos to all of you who do such great work

[Cinder & Smoke]

I don't *think* the Pet Talkers are really going to "change" her mind...

And we're all gettin pretty worked up trying...

Let's just STOP & DROP the discussion and let the whole thing pass.

If we just STOP responding here - the thread WILL fade into a distant memory...



/s/ Phred

[popcornbird]

First of all, this isn't a chat room. Its a discussion board and you need to know how to post on it (in a well manner). You are free to post your opinion, but the way you started it was rude and imposing.

2nd, to the others suggesting a change in age limit , 20 would be a very unfair limit. I'm years under 20 and I don't see any reason why any of the MANY very cherished young members on this board should be banned. Some of you make it like all kids are dumb and immature or whatever, and that is really wrong and hurtful. You all grew up from kids/teens, and this is a family site, not an all adults one. 13 is a fine limit set by the moderators of this site. There are dumb old people in this world as well. Age means nothing, and if someone young comes and starts blabbering like this, that is NO reason that all of us youngsters should get banned. Many of the young ones are great contributers to this site and far more mature than many older than them. Ok, end of this age rant.

Originally posted by boscibo
Children are also happier running around free, into the streets and highways, but we don't let them now, do we?

Very well said. Although opinions of spaying neutering differ greatly in the general public, I think it is absolutely stupid to say that every indoor cat is an unhappy animal. My friends have several cats that are indoor, but allowed outdoors, however, despite the pet doors for outdoor access provided by their mommy, they only go out like once a month for less than an hour and come back. If they were SO unhappy indoors, they would be running out all day, but they are perfectly happy inside and choose to stay indoors. Children love to go outside. They love to run around and play, putting anything they find in their mouths, and wandering off anywhere. A child would be perfectly happy to jump in a river and have some fun, and explore a forest. Such a child would have the freedom of his/her dreams. Would you allow a 3 year old to wander out and have all the freedom he/she wants no matter how dangerous it might be? I don't think so. Its the same with animals. Animals, and domesticated ones in particular, don't know how to handle the outside world and can easily get themselves into trouble. A outdoor cat may catch a diseased rat, and be so happy about it, but later get sick and die because it ate something it shouldn't have and didn't know any better. I have seen children throwing rocks at outdoor animals, and I would NEVER want to risk that with a loved pet. Animals can get lost, can get run over by a car, there are SO many possibilities of danger for an outdoor cat that a loving pet owner would never risk. Cats outside hunt because that's how they get food to eat. Indoor cats have fresh clean food available at all times. Outdoor cats play with moving bugs. Indoor cats play with moving toys, which they probably cannot tell the difference. Outdoor cats sleep in mud. Indoor cats sleep in beds. Outdoor cats avoid humans. Indoor cats LOVE humans. Indoor cats are NOT sad. Maybe the ones you know are crazy because they haven't been raised properly. Children who aren't raised properly are crazy also.

As for neutering, I understand why people do it, but personally I don't think its right to remove a part of an animal's body, mainly because God did not make animals to be altered. I truely understand why you all do it, but I just don't know. I don't think God would like us changing His creations by changing the way God made them. I don't have a cat and honestly don't know if I would spay/neuter my cat if I did. I don't like the idea of removing parts of an animal's body unless its for medical reasons (an illness, etc). Its just how I feel, I'm not condemning anyone. You do what you feel is best, and I don't know if I would do it if I had a cat. I would obviously do more research on the subject before getting a cat so I could make my decision. Many of my friends have non-altered cats that are strictly indoor and don't add to the population, and they have never had behavioral problems with them. They are females though. I know males spray. Please note that if I ever have an unaltered cat, it will be STRICTLY indoors, however, I would prefer to get an already altered cat from a shelter so that, if neccessary, I wouldn't have to get it done.

[boscibo]

popcornbird - you sound like you're a bright, well rounded young person, and an asset to Pet Talk.

About the neutering. I really don't like to argue or even discuss religious topics on public Internet forums, but -

Yes, animals are God's creations, and he made them a certain way. But if you think like that, think about this. We came into the world naked, without any clothes. That must be the way God intended us to be, right? Yet you will find very few (if any) humans that go around naked all the time. Sometimes we (as thinking beings) have to bend the rules a little. In the case of pet overpopulation and the whole neutering/spaying debate, I think it is justified.

There simply isn't enough homes for them all. We need to take care of animals on this earth, and if there was any other way to keep overpopulation under control (even a little bit) we would do it differently.

I personally think it is cruel to keep an animal like a cat or dog intact if you are keeping it for a pet. The un-neutered animal will have urges that it cannot satisfy. It can't understand why it can't breed to relieve these feelings, and that can be very frustrating and even painful for the animal. Like an itch you can't scratch, only 1000 times worse.

[wolf_Q]

Originally posted by boscibo
Don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out...

No, no, please let it hit you....HARD!

Bye bye!! *waves*

p.s. I'm not an "old lady" either!