13,413.60 before taxes

[DoggiesAreTheBest]

Thank you for sharing the article. Regardless of who wrote it, the nerve of the person who wrote it!

According to my husband, the raise was 4% and not 13%. My husband makes a decent salary in the Army because he is an officer. But he could be making a lot more with his skills and training in the real world. But chooses to serve his country.

[lovemyshiba]

I can see why she would be upset!! Either way, whoever wrote it was not thinking clearly, or just doesn't care.

[Dakota's Mommy]

I got this email and loved it too! Just like Mike, Brian agreed with everything and also laughed about the MRE's. I know I've heard him tell me that in the past too.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by mugsy
That doesn't even deserve a response. You seem to always be in search of an argument and I'm not in the mood to play the game tonight. You know exactly what I mean, and you always have to be so superior, and so all knowing, so, tonight, I'll just let you.


I think that Pat Tillman is awesome!!! How dedicated is he to his country. Cudos to him. Not many people (in fact I don't know anyone) would do what he's doing. I guess there was another football player berating him on the Jim Rome show and he got nailed for being so stupid. It was a breath of fresh air to hear the people of this country rally around the people who are willing to put their lives on the line so that we can sit here and post on Pet Talk.

mugsy,
it's interesting when people die give us dirty laundry.....

yeah, what about the facts??
you can't argue with someone who cannot answer a question
with any kind of sense. that's a fact.
talk about rhetoric....i haven't seen a good fact coming outta the southern hemisphere yet......ask a question and you get a defense....hmmmmmm, sounds like we don't have any thing to argue about except how uninformed we are..


people are like parrots, they repeat one line over and over again....they never change and they become very irritating unless
the line they learn is cute............check it out -toss out a question and you'll get some 'look what i learned/know!' just some tidbit aped across the internet..........oh, i'll say it again, all the antiwar protesters from the 60's turned out to be the biggest sell outs
ever..........just wait a few years.....

i do not base likes and dislikes on anything exept the fact that
anyone can type and opinions are like rectal orifices, everyone has one......

by the way i posted the letter, sorry about that...
mea culpa.....
.......sorry cindy williams the actress....i still don't care for you.....



GO PAT TILLMAN.

[RICHARD]

mugsy,

another great d henley line.....


as you wander in the wilderness you will hear your own small voice......

[mugsy]

Ok, I'm claiming ignorance....which Henley song is that from?

[RICHARD]

little tin god.

i truncated the line




"A new age is dawning
On fewer than expected
Business is usual"
That's how the headline read
Some shaky modern saviors
Have now been resurrected
In all this excitement
You may have been misled
People want a miracle
They say "Oh Lord, can't you see us?
We're tryin' to make a livin' down here
And keep the children fed"
But, from little dark motel rooms
to "Six Flags Over Jesus"
"How are the mighty fallen"
So the Bible said
You don't have to pray to a little tin god
Step out of the way for a little tin god
You might fear the reaper, you might fear the rod
But you never have to get down on your knees
You don't have to holler, "please, please"
No, you never have to get down on your knees
For a little tin god
The cowboy's name was "Jingo"
And he knew that there was trouble
So in a blaze of glory
He rode out of the west
No one was ever certain
What it was that he was sayin'
But they loved it when he told them
They were better than the rest
But you don't have to pray for a little tin god
Step out of the way for a little tin god
You might hate to system, hate the job
But you never have to get down on your knees
You don't have to holler, "please, please"
No, you never have to get down on your knees
For a little tin god
Throw down a rope from heaven
And lead the flock to water
The man in the middle would have you think
That you have no other choice
But to wander in the wilderness
Of all the upturned faces
If you stop and listen long enough
You will hear your own small voice
But you don't have to pray to a little tin god
Step out of the way for a little tin god
You might fear the reaper, fear the rod
But you never have to get down on your knees
You don't have to holler, "please, please"
No, you never have to get down on your knees
You don't have to holler, "please, please"
You never have to get down on your knees
For a little tin god

[Dixieland Dancer]

My son is a Sargeant in the Marines and gets paid very little. It is more than when he was lower ranking but it is still not enough to support a family on. His job..... Combat Engineer.... His duty....he is first line support to land somewhere and defuse landmines before the next batallion arrives!

Anyone who has a problem with giving these boys a raise needs to take a step in his shoes! Your next step could be your last and for what??? One simple thing... to preserve the rights we all enjoy as American Citizens. My guess is it's the anti war rhetoric group that is making the biggest noise about them getting a deserved raise! Do you honestly think these boys want to die???? But yet if they are ordered to so that our precious way of life can be preserved, they do it!!! Give them thanks...not grief! And give me a break too! My son is risking his this very day for all Americans. Even those who oppose him doing so just so they can have the right to oppose him! Think about that for a few minutes and then hang your head in shame for begrudging him and the rest of the military a measly little pay raise!

[mugsy]

Sorry Candy, but the anti-war protesters will never hang their heads in shame, they think they have a divine providence or something to get their message out.

I stand up and salute your son for putting his butt on the line so that I can live my life the way I have grown accustomed. I salute all the men and women in the military who put it on the line everyday for the rest of us sitting here at home.

[Soledad]

I didn't have time to do all the research on this I would have liked, but the fact remains, Mugsy has provided none of us with an example of liberals who oppose paying those in the armed forces more money. All she has done is accused "bleeding heart liberals" of being embarrassed by this information. I don't see why anyone WOULD'NT be embarrassed by it, liberal or conservative. I did see others make a leap of judgment that if one is opposed to war, one must be opposed to increased salaries for the armed forces. I would like more than just your hunch as to how this is correct.

I have found that at least one Democratic Senator has supported special tax cuts for Military members.

Democratic Senator Supports Special Military Tax Cuts

This is called information, not rhetoric or sloganeering. If you can give me actual evidence rather than "I heard blah blah blah" or "I bet those dirty hippies don't want to pay them anything", I'd be happy to discuss.

I find it amusing and perplexing that the two members of PetTalk who consistently supply no information to back up their claims say that *I* do not prove anything. At least I can back up my sources.

[mugsy]

So put your money where your mouth is...I have seen no souces or proof from you either, so I don't put much merit in your statements against Richard and me since you show no proof for your rhetoric

[Soledad]

You know what's funny? When people who get accused of something (like, say, spouting rhetoric) fight back by calling the other person the same thing. Very schoolyard, Mugsy.

Did you go to the link I provided? Or could your synapses not make the connection?

[mugsy]

Soledad, you are an evil meanhearted person who has nothing better to do than to get on here and make yourself feel better by belittling people. You are a bitter person who feels better only by trying to make others look bad. Well Babe....you are NOT going to make me feel stupid or inferior, because I know I'm an intelligent human being with much to give. You NEVER post about your animals and all you want to do is stir crap and make people angry. This is PET talk...yes, this is general, but, this is the only place you ever go with no mention of your animals EVER. I, for one, am happy that you are in New Zealand and hope you stay there forever because we don't need any more anti-American citizens here. The oh poor me and oh poor minority crap has gotten entirely too old for me. Normally I would have sent a PM, but I would like everyone to know where I stand.

[Soledad]

Mugsy - While we're shooting insults (not started by me), maybe I could take a stab at your life?

You are most likely an intelligent person, but you think you are far smarter and accomplished than you actually are. You beat your schoolkids in arguments and get some sort of pleasure out of it, thinking you are smart for outsmarting 12 year olds. You then take that "debating prowess" to Pettalk, and when confronted with actual facts and real debating tactics you cower and crumble and realise how limited your abilities really are. Stick to your sad Midwestern existence with your fifteen dogs. Stick with your sad little arguments that have little proof to back them up, but make you feel good. Stick with your easy answers and your easy life because when you think about it too much you realise it might all be crap.

I am sick and tired of being told I am anti-American because I do not agree with you. Get a real argument.

[Ann]

I haven't been following these threads really since I am sick of bothering, but I do feel the need to reply to one thing.

Originally posted by mugsy
the anti-war protesters will never hang their heads in shame, they think they have a divine providence or something to get their message out.

From what I've noticed it's mainly the pro-war people who think they have divine providence. You know, all the stuff about "God bless the USA" or "God is on our side" and so on. Never really seen it the other way around actually.