Breeding a male red tri BC (Border Collie)

[Alysser]

Reputable Breeders are NOT responsible for overpopulation, people that "breed for fun", and other stupid reasons are. Anyone that is not bettering the breed has absolutely no reason to be breeding period. Your children don't need to see the miracle of birth, you don't need a ton of puppies running around because it's cute, etc. Don't make these puppies someone else's problem. You will have plenty of people abandoning these dogs because they will most likely have some health issues, be too hyper, and billion other excuses. As much as you say you won't be adding to the population problem you will be. To every family you give a dog to, they COULD have adopted that sad adult pit in the shelter that REALLY needed that home. There's no excuse for breeding a dog that has no business being bred, period.

[Jessika]

Reputable Breeders are NOT responsible for overpopulation, people that "breed for fun", and other stupid reasons are. Anyone that is not bettering the breed has absolutely no reason to be breeding period. Your children don't need to see the miracle of birth, you don't need a ton of puppies running around because it's cute, etc. Don't make these puppies someone else's problem. You will have plenty of people abandoning these dogs because they will most likely have some health issues, be too hyper, and billion other excuses. As much as you say you won't be adding to the population problem you will be. To every family you give a dog to, they COULD have adopted that sad adult pit in the shelter that REALLY needed that home. There's no excuse for breeding a dog that has no business being bred, period.

This pretty much sums up my feelings about breeding.

No, I don't think *all* breeding should be stopped. But I do think that there is WAY too much irresponsible breeding going on.

If you are serious about breeding, contact some border collie breeders and get a mentor. However, I do not think your "It is my money and I should be able
to get what I want" or "this would just be for fun" attitude is an appropriate attitude to have when it comes to this topic... or ANY topic, really. Money should not be the driving factor... the driving factor should be wanting to improve the breed and its gene pool.

And it's not just about getting proper health clearances, either... your dog should be shown in the appropriate avenues and titled when appropriate to ensure that it IS a good quality stock for the breed and should actually be bred. It is not "for fun"...

Again... please think long and hard about this. Look up the definition of a backyard breeder.

[Doug_FL]

I looked up Back Yard Breeder. I don't see it pertaining to me or what my plans are. I have only spoken to my vet once about this.
I have going to that practice for 10 years. The comments I have gotten seem to suggest, only a very few people have the right to
breed dogs. And if I breed mine, it will force a Pit Bull to remain in a shelter. The reality is there are too many Pit Bulls, not too many
BCs. People are scared of that breed, that is why there are so many in shelter. I would not even have one. The building where I live
does not allow them. A Border Collie or Aussie was not a problem. Pits can be unpredictable. They can cause a problem with home
owners insurance as well.

If I can get a male puppy that looks as good as the first three photos, I will look into breeding him. The last two photos are of the dog I
have now. He turned out to be healthy and very much within breed standards. I wish I could have breed him. But, he had to be fixed,
due to county law where I got him. It was a county animal control & shelter, in the Tampa St Pete area.

[Lady's Human]

Educate yourself.

Pitties are fine dogs as long as they're raised correctly.

Your ignorance (on many issues) is palpable.

[snakemama]

You're obviously not looking for advice, so why did you start the thread?

[Lady's Human]

Confirmation and pats on the back.

[Bonny]

You're obviously not looking for advice, so why did you start the thread?

I have wondered that too? If Doug has contact with his veterinary, why come here?

Veterinarians have contacts, maybe his veterinary can line him up with another border collie or aussie pup or full grown dog.

[Litterati]

Agree with Lady's Human and Snakemama and Bonny. Whole situation is problematic, and breeding "for fun" when shelter dogs need homes really troubles me. That said, I'm not going to change someone's mind if they are hell-bent on doing something. But from all the comments on this thread, if this guy is looking for affirmation for his intentions he's in the wrong place. Just sayin'.

[Alysser]

I looked up Back Yard Breeder. I don't see it pertaining to me or what my plans are. I have only spoken to my vet once about this.
I have going to that practice for 10 years. The comments I have gotten seem to suggest, only a very few people have the right to
breed dogs. And if I breed mine, it will force a Pit Bull to remain in a shelter. The reality is there are too many Pit Bulls, not too many
BCs. People are scared of that breed, that is why there are so many in shelter. I would not even have one. The building where I live
does not allow them. A Border Collie or Aussie was not a problem. Pits can be unpredictable. They can cause a problem with home
owners insurance as well.

Your ignorance about Pitbulls alone is why you SHOULDN'T be breeding. I don't even get why you started this thread, since you know everything already. I was at a shelter yesterday and there were 4 pitbulls and 4 border collies in the shelter...so an equal number. But no, you're not going to be adding to the issue at all.