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    So you think you can ban weapons from your home? Guess again. Earlier I posted other random shootings. One was an appliance repairman who had a concealed carry permit and always carries a gun in his pocket. (Shot himself in the winky as a result.)

    So apparently now I must ask the Sear's repairperson if he or she is 'packing heat.' He could just as easily have shot the home owner or the homeowner's cat after all. And if they are - can I bar them from my house? And how long will I have to do without a working frig while Sear's finds a repairperson who does not routinely pack a gun?

    More guns. That is the best thing the NRA can come up with?

    The gun show loophole is not a big thing! Really? 40% of the guns bought are bought without the need for a background check. No criminal check, no mental health ...nada.

    I do agree with LH on one thing. I work very hard to never know the names of these idiots. While still realizing the reasons they do what they do is far more complex than just the publicity.

    And yes Karen - weapons are lethal. It is just some are more efficiently lethal than others. And some - guns, bombs, and land mines come to mind, exist for no reason except to be lethal.

    I had been waiting for the comparison to Prohibition. But let's compare cigarettes. According to some folks there is no reason to restrict guns because Americans will just find ways to violate the law...an interesting commentary in itself. But following the logic - let's get rid of all the laws restricting cigarettes! Let children buy and smoke! Let smokers smoker whereever and whenever they want to do so. On airplanes...in restuarants...in movie theaters. After all - Americans who want to smoke are going to smoke no matter what. What about their rights??? Give teachers guns? Fine - let them smoke in the classroom too. Hospitals, church - let there be no place where freedom is curtailed!

    I believe societies have the right to ban some things. Things that go against the common good. There will always be people who will violate the law. But do we stoop to the lowest common denominator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    So you think you can ban weapons from your home? Guess again. Earlier I posted other random shootings. One was an appliance repairman who had a concealed carry permit and always carries a gun in his pocket. (Shot himself in the winky as a result.)
    There are many versions of "no trespassing" signs, and if the sign is clear, that carrying a weapon on your property will be considered unlawful trespassing, there's not much someone can do about it if you call the police and report them and bar them from your property.


    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    The gun show loophole is not a big thing! Really? 40% of the guns bought are bought without the need for a background check. No criminal check, no mental health ...nada.

    Where did that stat come from? I find it difficult to believe, particularly as I have purchased firearms and know what one needs to do to legally acquire them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    I had been waiting for the comparison to Prohibition. But let's compare cigarettes. According to some folks there is no reason to restrict guns because Americans will just find ways to violate the law...an interesting commentary in itself. But following the logic - let's get rid of all the laws restricting cigarettes! Let children buy and smoke!
    Kids who want to smoke smoke. it's a fact of life. If you can't even keep cigs out of the hands of kids, how effective is law enforcement going to be at another ban? Kids get booze, marijuana, ecstasy, ad nauseum, and they're all illegal already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    There are many versions of "no trespassing" signs, and if the sign is clear, that carrying a weapon on your property will be considered unlawful trespassing, there's not much someone can do about it if you call the police and report them and bar them from your property.
    But that is not the point. Someone can come in your home - such as a repairperson and you do not know if they have a concealed weapon or not. The person is not trespassing. Do I have to post a "gun-free zone" on the front door? Isn't it a bit unfair that the repairperson does not have to announce they have a gun but I have to announce I do not want guns in my house? So much for that "my home is my castle" thing! Perhaps require people with concealed weapons to wear a special patch?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    Where did that stat come from? I find it difficult to believe, particularly as I have purchased firearms and know what one needs to do to legally acquire them.
    An interview on the radio this morning with the director of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    Kids who want to smoke smoke. it's a fact of life. If you can't even keep cigs out of the hands of kids, how effective is law enforcement going to be at another ban? Kids get booze, marijuana, ecstasy, ad nauseum, and they're all illegal already.
    If that is the attitude - why have any laws? Let's throw all the laws out - because some people are going to break the law anyway! And then there is that was not my point. My point was about laws regarding WHERE you can smoke.

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    My point is simple:

    We as a society can regulate effectively, but bans have always been completely and totally ineffective.

    There's a long history in the US of rum running, drug smuggling, and other dodges, and there are too many intelligent people who see a buck to be made if they can avoid John Law. Heck, we even smuggle 3L per flush toilets, and there's nothing customs has been able to do to stop it.

    As a society we're extremely skilled about getting around bans and prohibitions of all sorts, a gun ban would just be one more avenue to make money.
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    An interesting viewpoint (on which I have no opinion):

    http://newcity.com/2012/12/19/dime-s...ar-of-the-gun/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    My point is simple:

    We as a society can regulate effectively, but bans have always been completely and totally ineffective.

    There's a long history in the US of rum running, drug smuggling, and other dodges, and there are too many intelligent people who see a buck to be made if they can avoid John Law. Heck, we even smuggle 3L per flush toilets, and there's nothing customs has been able to do to stop it.

    As a society we're extremely skilled about getting around bans and prohibitions of all sorts, a gun ban would just be one more avenue to make money.
    Last time I check there have been no mass murders with toilets.

    Fine - if regulate is better than legislate - let get cracking and make some REAL regulations about guns. I am more afraid of the Rambo wannabee who thinks he or she can outshot the bad guys, the person who is so afraid of things they must have a pistol on them at all times, or the person who owns a gun but keeps it where it can be easily used by a child, a deranged adult, or stolen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    Last time I check there have been no mass murders with toilets.

    Fine - if regulate is better than legislate - let get cracking and make some REAL regulations about guns. I am more afraid of the Rambo wannabee who thinks he or she can outshot the bad guys, the person who is so afraid of things they must have a pistol on them at all times, or the person who owns a gun but keeps it where it can be easily used by a child, a deranged adult, or stolen.
    I think the person whose fear is running their life is you. You certainly seem to spend an inordinate amount of time railing against objects that are less likely to harm you than a car or a doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    I think the person whose fear is running their life is you. You certainly seem to spend an inordinate amount of time railing against objects that are less likely to harm you than a car or a doctor.

    Sounds like a snarky comment, minus any real value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    Perhaps require people with concealed weapons to wear a special patch?
    Like a Gold Star or a Pink Triangle?


    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    An interview on the radio this morning with the director of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
    An unbiased group if there ever where one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    My point was about laws regarding WHERE you can smoke.
    You can make me smoke outside, why wouldnt I leave my fire arm locked in my car if you didnt want it in your house?

    Have you ever lived where nature can enter your yard? Coyotes, moose, or bears? Wolves maybe?

    If I remember right you have visited AK. Would you visit again knowing any resident could be carrying a concealed firearm without a license?

    You are also aware that full auto firearms are still legal in California?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    So let's see. It's logic. Trees need trimming....the garden needs tilling...power sometimes goes out....people need shooting?

    Sorry...as Spock would say..."Captain...that is not logical!"
    Spock has shot people, and aliens, with a phazor and killed them, so sometimes its logical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    Perhaps require people with concealed weapons to wear a special patch?
    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the NRA executive vice-president who spoke about starting a national registry of people with mental illnesses. Would that include anybody who has ever taken an antidepressant or an anti-anxiety med? Heck, I've been a citizen of the Prozac Nation- do I need a special patch? H'll probably want a national registry of introverts next. We're quiet, thoughtful and some people consider us a little odd. All characteristics of the perpetrators of these tragic shootings. Maybe I need a patch for that too.

    Seriously ... yes, there are things in my life that I regret, and things I would love to do over. But I'm not about to go out and start shooting people. I am trying to do a better job at not dwelling so much on past things, but to use it as a way to live differently in the future. I'm grateful for encouragement (and the occasional, virtual smack on the back of the head) from my PT Friends!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    I believe societies have the right to ban some things. Things that go against the common good.
    You normally post the communist line, for the greater/common good. What could you be for, that is against against the the common good? You have my curiosity.
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    I'm not afraid of people.

    I have firearms for the same reason I have a chainsaw, a tiller, a generator, an axe (or 3) and many other tools. Situational preparation. It's not fear, it's logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    I'm not afraid of people.

    I have firearms for the same reason I have a chainsaw, a tiller, a generator, an axe (or 3) and many other tools. Situational preparation. It's not fear, it's logic.
    oh, but you do not mention the length of the chainsaw blade.


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