Electric Fence? Yes or No? Opinions?

[buttercup132]

Centuries ago shock collars didn't exist, as the most advanced electronic device was a leyden jar.

They are still quite common, and the first hit I got when searching for an electric fence was (drum roll please) a fence utilizing a shock collar for compliance.

I meant decades not centuries
A lot of companies still call them shock collars but they are not, collars that emit a electric shock are not sold.
The only thing they would be referring to is like a static shock type collar which is again not painful, uncomfortable yes but again like I said you can't sell things that cause the dogs that much pain.

It's just like people who think pinch collars are cruel and painful, they are just uneducated and mis informed.

[Varga]

I meant decades not centuries
A lot of companies still call them shock collars but they are not, collars that emit a electric shock are not sold.
The only thing they would be referring to is like a static shock type collar which is again not painful, uncomfortable yes but again like I said you can't sell things that cause the dogs that much pain.

It's just like people who think pinch collars are cruel and painful, they are just uneducated and mis informed.

That is simply incorrect. Shock collars do emit electric shock. A static shock is still an electric shock. It hurts - that's the point and that's why it works.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_collar

Shock collars are sold as shock collars because they give electric shock. If they didn't give electric shock it would be false advertising. If it is a vibrate only collar it would be sold as such. Some shock collars do have a vibrate function too but they are still shock collars since they are capable of giving an electric shock.

[buttercup132]

Your using Wikipedia as a source of information..?

A static shock is not the same as a electric shock, are you telling me getting shocked from your carpet is the same as getting shocked by a electric fence?

And since your using Wiki as your info source it says right here

Go ask some people in Shutzhund and hunters who use them to train their dogs to hunt hogs I'm sure they will tell you different as these people would not be wanting to cause pain to their dogs to train them.

[Lady's Human]

Your using Wikipedia as a source of information..?

A static shock is not the same as a electric shock, are you telling me getting shocked from your carpet is the same as getting shocked by a electric fence?

And since your using Wiki as your info source it says right here

Go ask some people in Shutzhund and hunters who use them to train their dogs to hunt hogs I'm sure they will tell you different as these people would not be wanting to cause pain to their dogs to train them.

A static shock IS an electric shock.

The difference between the two is semantics, in terms of physics they are the same, excited electrons searching for a path to ground.

[Varga]

Your using Wikipedia as a source of information..?

A static shock is not the same as a electric shock, are you telling me getting shocked from your carpet is the same as getting shocked by a electric fence?

And since your using Wiki as your info source it says right here

Go ask some people in Shutzhund and hunters who use them to train their dogs to hunt hogs I'm sure they will tell you different as these people would not be wanting to cause pain to their dogs to train them.

As Lady's Human already said - now we're just arguing semantics. But yes, I do say that getting a static shock is the same as getting shocked by an electric fence. At least the one's I've seen back home used for horses... I'm sure if we're talking, like, prison security or whatever it's a totally different thing and it gives more of a burn than a shock, so in those cases it can't really be compared. Or if we're talking dinosaur fencing

But yes, the shocks I've gotten from the horse fences and the ones I get from touching agility equipment, after running around on AstroTurf, both hurt equally much to me. I don't care if one is called static shock and the other electric shock - still equally unpleasant.

[sasvermont]

I have a wireless system that I have yet to install. It creates a field that the dog can stay within and the dog gets a shock if it goes beyond. It is a signal rather than wires. I keep thinking about installing it, as it is easy, but I just haven't tried it yet.

I spent a week with friends, just last week and they have two Chesapeake retrievers and an electric fence. It worked fine with them. The dogs stayed within the areas just fine. I guess lots depends on the dogs and how badly they want OUT.

I think Prue would do just fine with the wireless system. Prue doesn't like to be outside without me, so, so far there hasn't been any need to use the wireless system.

I would consider the underground if I were you.

I also have friends whose dog doesn't know that the system isn't turned on and it obeys the old rules, not going past the wired area. It's really funny to watch the dog come to a screeching halt.

[Alysser]

I meant decades not centuries
A lot of companies still call them shock collars but they are not, collars that emit a electric shock are not sold.
The only thing they would be referring to is like a static shock type collar which is again not painful, uncomfortable yes but again like I said you can't sell things that cause the dogs that much pain.

It's just like people who think pinch collars are cruel and painful, they are just uneducated and mis informed.

Shock Collars DO emit an electrical shock. It isn't strong enough to cause pain, it's supposed to be a correction for behavior modification training. Why else would they be called SHOCK collars? Collars that emit a vibration or tone are called Vibrational or Tonal Collars. Mikey has a Vibration Collar, which I used for boundary training with him when I was inexperienced with dog training and my mom was getting really frustrated with him peeing in the same spot in one room. The box of his collar said Vibration Collar on it. The fact that they sell some with the auditory option, the vibration option, and the shock option is proof that they do sell collars that shock.

Vibration more or less surprises them. I am not completely against Vibration Collars, but there are more effective and positive ways to train a dog. These collars often seem like the "Easy Way Out", and I honestly don't think I'd ever use it again unless I was in the same situation where my parents were threatening to get rid of my dog.