thanks again Donna, oh yes i understand, i only did it the once and it was too much for me, i have enough things going on right now, and i don't need to involve myself with anything that will emotionally stress me out, does not take much in my case lol, very easily stressed out these days,the collar sounds good, i will check it out,again thanks for your kind words of wisdom ,always can count on you my friend and you know so much more than i ever will cheers.