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    And yet....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    It was former Pres. Bush who set up the troop withdrawal timeline for Iraq, not the current President.
    President Obama has been severely criticized by "leading Republicans" for following the troop withdrawal timeline established by President Bush. His critics have included Romney, Cain, Perry, McCain, Bachmann (who called it a complete failure...)

    Perhaps why somepeople feel if Presient Obama found a cure for cancer he would still be criticized....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    President Obama has been severely criticized by "leading Republicans" for following the troop withdrawal timeline established by President Bush. His critics have included Romney, Cain, Perry, McCain, Bachmann (who called it a complete failure...)

    Perhaps why some people feel if President Obama found a cure for cancer he would still be criticized....

    The first problem with that statement is referring to McCain, Perry, et. al. as leading Republicans. The only way they can comprehend leadership is with a dictionary (which leaves Dan Quayle out of the running.... )

    I had issues with the timeline. I still have issues with any military leader publishing a timeline for action for strategic reasons.

    That having been said, however, when the country you're assisting gives you a date and says be out by then, you move. Only time will tell whether it really worked, it's far to soon to pass judgement, but somehow I doubt you've seen the last of the insurgents in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    That having been said, however, when the country you're assisting gives you a date and says be out by then, you move. Only time will tell whether it really worked, it's far to soon to pass judgement, but somehow I doubt you've seen the last of the insurgents in Iraq.
    Getting rid of the insurgents! Oh so THAT'S why we were there...(It has always seemed as bit confusing. WMD...regime change...bogey man...insurgents)

    Even scorched earth and the elimination of every person living in that country would not put an end to "insurgents." Sadly.

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    I'm really ticked off about the 'blood for oil' deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    Getting rid of the insurgents! Oh so THAT'S why we were there...(It has always seemed as bit confusing. WMD...regime change...bogey man...insurgents)

    Even scorched earth and the elimination of every person living in that country would not put an end to "insurgents." Sadly.
    The initial reason we were there had nothing to do with insurgents, unless you count the Bath party as insurgents. After all, when you invade, you ARE the insurgents.

    However, the resulting 3 hour tour of Iraq came under the heading of we broke it, we fix it.

    The reason we've still had troops in the country since the invasion was an attempt to stabilize an inherently unstable political construct. Since that we've seen multiple rewrites of the SASO (stability and support operations) manual, changing acronyms (which unless you've been part of a staff you have no idea what a semi-humorous PITA that is) changing TTPs, (tactics, techniques and procedures), ad nauseum.
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    The initial reason we were there had nothing to do with nothing and certainly nothing to do with the US.

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