thanks Pat and Mary, yes well if indoor i could see no reason, but mine are indoor/outdoor, so is for the best,i doubt whether Ellie will still be with us next year, but who knows, that girl gives me some scares, maybe i panic a little ,but i know my girl, and i know when she is not good, she is lying peacefully now sleeping,on the verandah, she rarely leaves there or inside or the cat shelter these days, she ate a little more food too.

I am still taking her to see my vet and get her checked out,who knows what tomorrow shall bring, so far no bad toilet, so i am hoping it has come to an end, be quite normal for her not to go for a day or two now after all that i would think.

I am feeling a bit happier and more positive,but i know we are not out of the woods yet with her, fingers and all paws crossed Ellie improves as the day and evening progress and tomorrow brings us much more happier news for me to report, thanks for listening and the advice and just being there for me,no-one and i mean no-one really understands how i feel about my furbabies except my PT friends from afar, bless you all for that.