Does this bother you too?

**aly** · 12-26-2002, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by Twisterdog

You can't choose where you start, but you can choose where you end up.

That is soooooooooooooooooooooooo true!

Twisterdog didn't make any racial comments. If you think about it, you can twist words and make anything offensive if you try hard enough.

**COCatMama** · 12-26-2002, 02:23 AM

TD: kudos to you for doing it on your own!! I know it's not easy! heck working just to support yourself and one dog is bad enough eh?

hope your xmas was okay!!

**Twisterdog** · 12-27-2002, 01:29 AM

Lalania,

Our Christmas was good, thanks. All the doggies got chewies in their stocking from Santa Paws, even.

**wolf_Q** · 12-27-2002, 03:47 AM

You can't choose where you start, but you can choose where you end up.

It's not why you're running
It's where you're going
It's not what you're dreaming
But what you're gonna do
It's not where you're born
It's where you belong
It's not how weak
But what will make you strong

**NoahsMommy** · 12-27-2002, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Lalania
thousands of skin kids that need homes. I believe the decision to NOT procreate to be one of the ultimate SELFLESS decisions a person can make.

I for one, completely agree. I mean, why should I add yet another child to the world for selfish reasons? My husband and I are going to adopt when we have the financial means to do so...I know my opinion on adoption isn't popular and I really couldn't care less. Its what I feel is right, after all, I've seen first hand how many children are "thrown out" and need parents. I also know that we may possibly be adopting a child (or children) that are not white, like my hubby and I are. Many may think this is wrong (a few at our Thanksgiving table thought so). What's wrong is allowing these children to grow up without families...
Another thing that just annoys the heck out of me...people's oposition to ME saying that my hubby and I are going to adopt! You wouldn't beleive the negative response we've gotten! Amazingly selfish people...

I disagree. Having children is like having a dog, or a car, or a big house, IMO ... if you can afford it, great, have one ... have three or four. If you can't afford it, then make plans and better yourself, work hard until you CAN afford it ... then have a kid or get a dog or buy a car. That's basic common sense to me ... if you can't feed it, don't have it. I work for a living. I'm a single parent. I have never taken a penny of public assistance funding. I support myself and my child. It was my choice to have a child, therefore I should pay for him. It wasn't anyone else's choice for me to have a child ... why should I expect other people to give me money for something I chose to do? We all need to take responsiblity for our own actions, and their consequences. Even if wanted to have three or four kids, (which I don't!), I couldn't afford to, and therefore I wouldn't have them. I wouldn't go ahead and have them and expect someone else to pick up the tab. How is that fair?

Amen sister! I couldn't have said this any better!!!

I agree totally and completely.

We all are in control of our lives....we have the power to change our circumstances AND attitudes.

**Soledad** · 12-27-2002, 09:14 PM

All I am going to say is that the vast majority of people here on PetTalk do not get raised in abject poverty and have to experience racism on a daily basis.

My family was dealt an extremely crap hand in life, but they have changed their fortune. But it wasn't easy and it's not something everyone can do.

I think poor people have enough problems without people pointing fingers at them and saying "well you deserve it because you made these bad choices".

And TD, you have not done it "all on your own"...no one has. We are all dependent upon each other.

**mugsy** · 12-27-2002, 10:29 PM

I'm not clear on why we are supposed to feel that we should help the poor even if they don't want to help themselves. If they want help and are willing to go out and try and better themselves, that's one thing, but to just wallow in this abject poverty accepting handouts from the government and sitting on their couches watching their big screen tvs (and YES, it happens...I've seen it myself) is something totally different. I am soooooo glad the Indiana made the law that 2 years on welfare and then you're done forever. But, are willing to train you for a career (at the government's expense) during that time.

**slleipnir** · 12-28-2002, 12:08 AM

That reminds me..When I was in grade..8 or 9?? Maybe 7..anywho, this girl from China moved her and my friend who was in her class tried to make her feel welcome by offering to do stuff with her, talk with her alll that stuff, one day we were walking to my house and we though how she'd probably love to see Josie, I went inside to drop my kit bad off, and Jo jumped outta the dog and ran to my friends all excited, the girl reacted TOTALLY the opposite way I expected, she started to scream and yell saying she was going to be eatten by Jo, I explained to her that she was extremely friend and wouldnt eat her, let alone even bit her, I showed her that I could put my hand in her mouth and without her doing anything but lick my hand. She still freaked out and stuff and said in china, dogs eat people or attack them..I guess not family pets at all..I totally didn't know that, either did my friends..I couldn't imagen life without a dog..I know a few of my friends would die for a dog, but can't..one's landlord won't allow it, the others father just doesnt want it..she had a dog once and came home one day and he had given it away..can you imagen?!?!?! I don't think I could forgive my dad if he did that to Jo or Zeke, then again he loves them almost as much as me, ALMOST

**Twisterdog** · 12-28-2002, 01:41 AM

And TD, you have not done it "all on your own"...no one has. We are all dependent upon each other.

Oh, really? And you know this how? You don't know me, or anything about my life. Sorry, but you are quite wrong.

I put myself through college by working two jobs. I paid for every penny of my education myself. I pay for everything my son needs. I bought my own business seven years ago. My business and my home are now paid for, free and clear, because I worked hard to make it so. I don't work for anyone, I don't take anything from anyone. YES, I HAVE done it all on my own. I don't have anyone to rely on, and that's fine with me. I take responsibilty for myself. Everyone should.

I'm sick and tired of the "poor me, everyone owes me something because I had a bad childhood" attitude from people of my generation in the country. My response is always, "Yeah, well, so did I. Get over it." What ever happened to a work ethic? To taking pride and responsibility in one's own abilities? In trying to better oneself? In self respect?

**NoahsMommy** · 12-28-2002, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Twisterdog
I'm sick and tired of the "poor me, everyone owes me something because I had a bad childhood" attitude from people of my generation in the country. My response is always, "Yeah, well, so did I. Get over it." What ever happened to a work ethic? To taking pride and responsibility in one's own abilities? In trying to better oneself? In self respect?

This is sooooo common! I'm with you....what you live through and overcome makes you who you are....something to be proud of, not a hinderance. I've been there...and continue to "move on" and keep improving my life with hard work, persistance...all motivated by what I want to be and do. Life is wonderful, if you allow it to be.

**COCatMama** · 12-29-2002, 12:36 AM

I'm sick and tired of that attitude too...I absolutely hate it when people don't take responsibility for their own lives, like junkies that are like 'poor me, the government should give me money because I'm a drug addict." well duh, nobody FORCED them to take drugs! I grew up around LOADS of drugs and I don't do drugs! It's a choice you make, and you can't spend your life expecting others to hold your hand, geeeeeez

**Desert Arabian** · 12-29-2002, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by Lalania
I'm sick and tired of that attitude too...I absolutely hate it when people don't take responsibility for their own lives, like junkies that are like 'poor me, the government should give me money because I'm a drug addict." well duh, nobody FORCED them to take drugs!

I agree with that statement 100%.(That's all I'm going to say, don't want to get holered at.)

**mugsy** · 12-29-2002, 07:51 AM

Why would we yell at you for having an admirable trait. That's great that you have made that decision. I commend you!

**COCatMama** · 12-29-2002, 03:55 PM

yeah what mugsy said, why would I holler at someone for AGREEING with me? ROFL!

**Desert Arabian** · 12-30-2002, 02:04 AM

I meant that I didn't want people to flame on me, in case they would have mis-undestood my post. I can't remember what I was going to post, but I was afraid that some people would have taken it the wrong way.

Since I noticed that happend A LOT through-out this thread.

On the topic of drugs: There is one boy in my school who has a HORRIBLE drinking, smoking, and drug addiction (he's not the only one!!!). He rarely does his homework, so he has F's in every single class. He is amazingly smart though, you'd never guess it by looking at him, but since I have 5 classes with him, I notice it. That is, when he wants to show it, and is awake to express it. If he would do his homework, stay awake, and stop his addictions, he would be an A student. That makes me so sad to see people who have such great potental (sp?), spoiling it all on drinking, smoking and/or drugs. Oh well, it's his decision, and he'll soon find out that it was a bad decision.

Moving on...