31 Americans dead

[Grace]

30 years ago the Taliban were looked upon by us, and many other countries, as "Freedom Fighters".

Now they are our enemy.

We went into that country to avenge 9/11 - NOT to free the populace from tyrants.

As John F. Kennedy said, so eloquently -

“We must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient; that we are only 6 percent of the world's population; that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94 percent of mankind; that we cannot right every wrong or reverse every adversity; and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem.”

All we are doing right now is wasting American lives in an untenable, unwinnable nightmare.

[wombat2u2004]

30 years ago the Taliban were looked upon by us, and many other countries, as "Freedom Fighters".

Now they are our enemy.

Well then, they can't be trusted.
All the more reason why we should be on their ground, and not them on ours.
Freedom Fighters ??? That's only a media label...the only freedom they know is the freedom to subjugate.
Unwinnable war ???? That's a politicians label. Invented by politicians to cover up their own blunders.

[Grace]

Well then, they can't be trusted.
All the more reason why we should be on their ground, and not them on ours.
Freedom Fighters ??? That's only a media label...the only freedom they know is the freedom to subjugate.
Unwinnable war ???? That's a politicians label. Invented by politicians to cover up their own blunders.

The Taliban and Mujahideen were regarded as Freedom Fighters a bit over 30 years ago, when they were fighting against the Soviet Union, who had invaded their country.

Unwinnable - a word used by my husband, who like you spent time in Vietnam - two tours, in fact.

And when will you be joining the Aussie forces - they are still involved?

[Puckstop31]

Unwinnable - a word used by my husband, who like you spent time in Vietnam - two tours, in fact.

My father, also a multiple tour Vietnam guys agrees. I also agree.

And when will you be joining the Aussie forces - they are still involved?

Nearly every person who has ever served in combat will tell you that this is the MOST sophmoric arguement EVER made. "When will you be on the front lines." This kind of bullcrap is ALWAYS uttered by people who could NEVER actually do what they suggest.

Further, as a combat vet myself.... I will tell you that I would NOT want just anyone next to me when it matters. Not every person has what it takes to do what we did. This is a good thing. I pray for an all VOLUNTEER force forever.

OR, Mrs. Grace.... Pick up YOUR rifle and follow ME.

You know better than this.... Right?

[Marigold2]

Let us not argue amounst ourselves but honor and pray for those fallen.

[Grace]

My father, also a multiple tour Vietnam guys agrees. I also agree.



Nearly every person who has ever served in combat will tell you that this is the MOST sophmoric arguement EVER made. "When will you be on the front lines." This kind of bullcrap is ALWAYS uttered by people who could NEVER actually do what they suggest.

Further, as a combat vet myself.... I will tell you that I would NOT want just anyone next to me when it matters. Not every person has what it takes to do what we did. This is a good thing. I pray for an all VOLUNTEER force forever.

OR, Mrs. Grace.... Pick up YOUR rifle and follow ME.

You know better than this.... Right?

Chill, Puck. With your assistance, the point has been made.

[wombat2u2004]

The Taliban and Mujahideen were regarded as Freedom Fighters a bit over 30 years ago, when they were fighting against the Soviet Union, who had invaded their country.

Unwinnable - a word used by my husband, who like you spent time in Vietnam - two tours, in fact.

And when will you be joining the Aussie forces - they are still involved?

Unwinnable. And so said Constantinople.
Unwinnable ?? We were winning when I was there.
Unwinnable !!! The new word for a new millenium.
Nope, sorry Gretchen, I somehow just can't get a grip on that word. Sounds too much like a word invented by someone who wants to cover their own butt because of bad decisions.

The Taliban and the Mujahideen were not freedom fighters in any sense of those words, nor were the Viet Cong, they were simply extremists who wished to exert their ideals, will and control over the more peaceful majority.
"Freedom Fighters" are words invented by the media and Jane Fonda.....period.

And when will you be joining the Aussie forces ?I'd go tomorrow if they relaxed the age requirement. No problem at all.

They (the Aussies) are still involved ?
Of course. We always have been.
You see Gretchen, we Aussies believe that the allied forces in this world are about the best peacekeepers there are. We also believe that the best way to keep peace is to have a presence in those countries that threaten world peace, even when our soldiers die, we believe that they have died for world peace.
Sure, we could pull our troops out of there tomorrow, and not get involved in any war ever. I wonder how long it would be before we had to defend ourselves on our own soil ??? Well, I'd have to say "Not very long".
But....perhaps it's time, as you say, to retire and not play peacekeeper any more....so who would you suggest take over that role ??? Russia ?? China ??
Iran ?? Somalia ??
Think about that Gretchen. And tell me, who should take over that role instead of our allied forces ??