I just read the past posts LOL. I figured you would know Ayri and Michelle LOL, the rattie circle seems to be close knit. We don't breed our rats, they are just here for the cuddles. We don't know enough about rattie genetics to breed them. We have 5 rescue rats, then we have a total of 9 rats from breeders. 5 are from a local breeder (4-H) I believe, and they are all boys, and big and healthy like PC and mac, and then we have Ida and Gem from Michelle, we bought them from her when she was at the rat show in Victoria in January.