Ron Paul, others to introduce marijuana bill

[Lady's Human]

I think I've posted this before, but here's my take on the issue:

Take 50 guys, put them in a room, and give them a couple kegs of beer.

Take another 50 guys, put them in a room, and give them an equivalent amount of marijuana.

Which group is going to need police assistance sooner?


The only thing the second group is going to endanger is a pan of brownies or the clerk at the local 7-11 after they run out of chips.

[Edwina's Secretary]

But think of all the drug testing facilities that will be put out of business!

[Karen]

But think of all the drug testing facilities that will be put out of business!

No, after all prescription drug abuse is on the rise, sadly. Most people that go through random drug testing, like truck drivers, are screened for a number of things. My buddy once got flagged because she had not known she was going to work that day (got called in mid-morning) and had already a lemon-poppyseed muffin for breakfast. The poppy seeds were enough to trigger a positive for drugs on the test. Thankfully, they had a policy in place and tested her again on subsequent days, and she was clear.

The facilities will still have plenty to do.

[smokey the elder]

That's where the "consequences" part comes in. Say, for example, marijuana becomes legal. A private corporation could still have a drug testing policy (my opinion on that is out of the scope of this debate) that people would have to comply with.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Geez Karen. I was joking!

Which I am entitled to do after 20 or so years of dealing with drug testing. I have heard every excuse (poppy seeds, spiked punch, spiked pizza, took my daughter's cough medicine, was with granny while she was smoking medicinal marijuana, parties, etc.) With one employer I worked with DOT requirements for drug testing which are more stringent than others - which is what you are referring to with random in-service. Lots and lots of crazy stories with drug testing.

Probably more than 90% of people who "flunk" drug testing are positive for cannabis. With truck drivers it is often amphetamines.

Drug testing always includes a spectrum of drugs. And it has become a big business.

A client I was working with recently - a temporary employment agency - does their OWN drug testing. They have a machine in the office. Applicants "give a sample" and then it is processed through the machine in the office - on the spot so to speak. If they get a positive the applicant is sent to a medical clinic for further testing. Ick. But they cut the cost from $15 per test to a couple of dollars.

[RICHARD]

No, after all prescription drug abuse is on the rise, sadly. Most people that go through random drug testing, like truck drivers, are screened for a number of things.

I had my first experience with morphine a few months ago.....

No, not THAT way.....I was in the ER and a nurse came and plugged a syringe into the IV and 'let me have it'.

Not a "good high" at all. No, I didn't ask for it and was really irritated that I had to have it in the first place.

During my stay in the hospital I had three of the most irritating roommates on the planet.

One was a guy a few years older than I was and he constantly complained that he was not being given the "Right Pills" by the docs/RNs.

He stated that he was being given pills that were a different color from the ones he took- this fool didn't know that generics meds are different colors from the 'standard' pills produced by the manufacturers who originally made/figured out the formula.

Another idiot - he was in because his friend -fresh out of jail - sucker punched him in the face and left him with a raccoon mask across his eyes.

This cat told the RNs that he was in huge pain because of the chipped/cracked teeth he had suffered and needed morphine or "anything they could give him" for his woes. The funny part? He was drinking iced tea for his two day stay.
I can think of nothing more painful than a mouth of ice cold liquid with a mouth of busted up teeth.

When the nurse came in and asked me if I wanted a 'pain shot' I told her "No, I didn't like the way it made me feel...."

When she left the room, the guy started in on me about not wanting (morphine).

"I'll take your shot if you don't want it..."

I shot back at him that I didn't like the way it made ME FEEL and let him know what I thought about people that begged for specific drugs. I used a few expletives to punctuate my point and he didn't say much after that.

The last moron I shared the space with was some idiot kid who had a car accident and really didn't seem like he gave a shiat about keeping himself in good health.

When he was brought in he complained about EVERYTHING. His biggest gripe?

His meds.

He knew EVERY med he had taken, was taking and demanded/suggested stronger doses from everyone he spoke to. (It was rather funny because he had all the names, doses, times and increases for all the meds he was given, memorized!)

I had to listen to the litany of meds, the amounts and times a day he had to have them. He also went into detail about how he would like to have the doses increased!

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All of them wanted a 'shot' before they were discharged.

And they all were so insistent on getting 'morphed up' that I was seriously wondering if I was getting a contact high just by being in the room with them - that is how badly the exuded the desire to get that last shot of M in.

The whole experience of having to share quarters with a bunch of people who were frigging morph heads gave me more to dislike about anyone who abuses that crap.

It did nothing for me - the docs and RNs were kind of blown away that I had endured my injury with nothing more that aspirin - it made me feel like I had a vise around my head and made me very irritable.

Also, The three 'gents' didn't have the best personalities on the planet.

They were all shady and the one that complained about the pill colors would not leave until they gave him his 'shot of M'.

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There is a huge problem with people abusing prescript meds and judging from what I saw, heard and experienced in the last two months?

It's way bigger than anyone wants to admit.

[Asiel]

Be careful not to lump everyone in the same bag----Some really do need pretty strong meds just to breathe or move.
There will always be abusers, be it for illegal drugs or prescription drugs.
Everyone has the opportunity to make the choice they feel they want . Some make the wrong choices regardless of who or what they hurt.

[RICHARD]

Be careful not to lump everyone in the same bag----Some really do need pretty strong meds just to breathe or move.
There will always be abusers, be it for illegal drugs or prescription drugs.
Everyone has the opportunity to make the choice they feel they want . Some make the wrong choices regardless of who or what they hurt.

These people were junkies.

They demanded M and one guy was ready to go and he asked every single person - from the dietician, kitchen worker, phys therapist, to the to the nursing mananger if he could have a shot before he left. He signed out AMA
but, wanted to get his shot before he went home.

The last 'kid' was nothing but a disrepectful, punk who called a friend on the phone to pick him up in the parking lot.

This moron was admitted into the room with and infected rod in his leg.

The staff told him NOT TO WALK W/O a cane, crutches.

He walked out of the room and left the building for about 40 minutes after the staff told him NOT TO LEAVE. He was the 'drug whiz' and during one conversation told someone on the phone that "the docs were stupid and didn't know what they were doing".

Out of the five people that I shared a room with?

All three begged for morphine and pitched fits when they were denied or made to wait for an injection....When the nurses came in to ask about our pain levels?

They were offered pills, but, instead wanted an injection. Then acted like little sissies when they were made to wait.

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I understand people need meds to make it thru a condition or illness. This group were just there for a quick high.

I know junkies/hypes/speedfreaks/meth heads and have seen them when they need a fix.

[Asiel]

I stand corrected. Yes, from your description I can agree that they do sound like junkies or whatever names they go by. Some people will stoop to anything to get their daily "need" I guess. I usually just call them Morons or Idiots for choce of a better description but I guess you just gave me some others to use. Doctors out here would be having the police haul them out if anyone were to be as obn obnoxious and rude.

[RICHARD]

Which group is going to need police assistance sooner?


The only thing the second group is going to endanger is a pan of brownies or the clerk at the local 7-11 after they run out of chips.

Shut up.

I once had four stitches put in my wrist after wrestling with a pan of HOMEMADE brownies.

No, they were not 'funny baked goods'.



The baker may have been cooked.