Michael Vick scores again....

[Nomilynn]

@Nom- okay, imagine this: a teacher gets convicted of pedophilia, serves his/her time and is released. Ok to go back to teaching? I think most of us would say that is an "H" to the "N", right? Why? Cause certain crimes ARE different than others. This one was one of them, to me. Sometimes people cannot be rehabilitated. Animal abuse isn't about the animal...it is about the person.

I think he should never, ever, be allowed within 10 feet of an animal, alone. I think people, as a whole, should stand up and do something more when it comes to crimes like this. Not just welcome him into the football fold as if he ran a red light. Why? Cause maybe just maybe there would be the fear of a public shunning for doing certain things.

Back in the day? Not yours or mine, I realize...but, 'bad' people didn't really get that free pass back into society. My parents weren't friends with kids that had been in the klink. To this day, the ONLY people I know that have served time in prison are clients. I don't associate with people that are convicted felons, outside of my job. Actually, can't really say I associate with people that are convicted misdemeanorers', either. I am excluding the traffic offenders, btw. Does that mean I am judgmental? As if there were a doubt, right?

Certainly, I think Pres O shouldn't have said a thing.

I completely agree, that a pedophile should not be allowed to teach children. I just see this as slightly different, because he wasn't doing something that related to football. I think that the general public will shun him, and perhaps him being in the limelight is a way for that to continue to happen.

And yes, he should NEVER be allowed to be near animals again - that I completely agree with as well. I am just not sure that he shouldn't "be allowed" to play football again.. but like I said, I'm not able to look at this clearly.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I haven't played 'what if' with you in a while, let's make it a while more?

sure...try the truth...or at least some approximation of it and I'll be glad to make it forever!

I just don't like overblown rhetoric..."why is the ONLY one..." when you don't have any idea if it is true or not.

[shais_mom]

umm -
yea - back to the TOPIC - at hand -
rather than the the TOTAL change of topic it turned too

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz19fIWHlyX

"The details that got to me then and stay with me today involve the swimming pool that was used to kill some of the dogs," Reynolds wrote on her blog. "Jumper cables were clipped onto the ears of underperforming dogs, then, just like with a car, the cables were connected to the terminals of car batteries before lifting and tossing the shamed dogs into the water."

She continued, "We don't know how many suffered this premeditated murder, but the damage to the pool walls tells a story. It seems that while they were scrambling to escape, they scratched and clawed at the pool liner and bit at the dented aluminum sides like a hungry dog on a tin can.

"I wear some pretty thick skin during our work with dogs, but I can't shake my minds-eye image of a little black dog splashing frantically in bloody water ... screaming in pain and terror ... brown eyes saucer wide and tiny black white-toed feet clawing at anything, desperate to get a hold. This death did not come quickly. The rescuer in me keeps trying to think of a way to go back in time and somehow stop this torture and pull the little dog to safety. I think I'll be looking for ways to pull that dog out for the rest of my life."

Vick did all that and more to his dogs, and even threw family pets into the pit with fighters and laughed while they were mauled, according to a witness who testified to federal investigators.

That's what sends dog lovers out to football games with protest signs: knowing that Michael Vick tortured and killed innocent dogs. That he has never paid for that abuse or even apologized for it.

Because the nation's most notorious dogfighter pled "not guilty" to animal cruelty charges -- charges that were eventually dropped in a plea bargain -- and he was convicted only of bankrolling a dogfighting conspiracy, for which he served 18 months in prison before being welcomed back to the public spotlight.

Even worse, he's shown no sign of understanding of, or regret over, the fate of his dogs.

"Vick has never expressed one word of remorse for what he did to those dogs," said McClay. "Not in any of his public statements, and not in his appearance on '60 Minutes.' Vick said he 'let it happen.' He slammed and beat and hung dogs to death. It's like Ted Bundy saying, 'I let someone murder this girl.' He doesn't take any responsibility for it."

Reynolds doesn't think it's an accident that most of Vick's supporters are so in the dark about his crimes against dogs.

"It worked out nicely for Vick that he never faced his animal abuse charges in court," she told me. "That meant football fans were spared the most disturbing details of his tortures and could go back to their Sunday night ritual with barely a hiccup."

But by all means - he has served his time and b/c these are dogs and not kids let's forgive him.
When I was at 5 Dog Mom's house the other night she said something that makes total sense. We as dog and cat/animal lovers find this whole thing horrific and of COURSE we don't forgive him. But people that don't care about animals and have no regard for their suffering and pain, are the ones that think he needs forgiven.

[RICHARD]

I just don't like overblown rhetoric.

I suck and try not to blow.

It works for me.

[lizbud]

I suck and try not to blow.

It works for me.

Be a big man & let it go Richard. Did you read Staci's posts? Comment on
the subject of the thread why don't you.

[RICHARD]

Be a big man & let it go Richard. Did you read Staci's posts? Comment on
the subject of the thread why don't you.

Please, I commented and someone challenged me to 'try the truth'?

If hinted at you being a liar, I am sure you'd feel a bit put out.

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If someone doesn't like my 'overblown rhetoric' I invite them to pass on my posts.

And if anyone thinks they can do better at 'truth' then I am?

They indeed are bigger people than I am. And god knows big people never lie.

[Cataholic]

To clarify my earlier posts. I never said I thought MV should be banned from football because his crime involved football players, and I didn't liken a pedophile and a teaching career with a animal abuser and a football career because of the victim. I did it because of the defendant. Why? See below.

What I said, or at least meant, was that a animal abuser, like pedophilia is NOT about the crime, it is about the person. A pedophiliac (sic) is prohibited from being around children ever again because it is the type of crime that warrants such post-prison control. It is a crime from which people really don't 'recover'. It carries with it reporting guidelines, housing guidelines, etc. Few crimes carry that sort of post parole control. Though, some do. For instances, convicted felons, post parole, lose the right to carry a firearm, and vote. The government has seen it fit to continue to "burden" certain criminals and certain crimes with extra punishment. I think animal abuse should be one of them.

I think MV should be banned from the limelight, spotlight, etc. I think football teams that pick this person up should be shunned. The 'price' for such infamy will not be paid by my purse strings, thats for sure.

In the situation with a pedophile, and to continue on with Staci's well said post, do you want YOUR children taught be a 'reformed' pedophile? Do you want YOUR mother living next door to a rapist? Do you want YOUR dog cared for by MV? Do you want YOUR child to emulate MV? I know my answers.

To me, some crimes are those from which people simply do not recover. MV's crime is one of them. I think he should be shunned from polite society until the good Lord takes over the matter. I think the dogs deserve no less of a commitment. Think of all the money, fame and fortune they never saw.

[Nomilynn]

Thank you for clarifying - it makes more sense to me now.