Michael Vick scores again....

[Cataholic]

@Nom- okay, imagine this: a teacher gets convicted of pedophilia, serves his/her time and is released. Ok to go back to teaching? I think most of us would say that is an "H" to the "N", right? Why? Cause certain crimes ARE different than others. This one was one of them, to me. Sometimes people cannot be rehabilitated. Animal abuse isn't about the animal...it is about the person.

I think he should never, ever, be allowed within 10 feet of an animal, alone. I think people, as a whole, should stand up and do something more when it comes to crimes like this. Not just welcome him into the football fold as if he ran a red light. Why? Cause maybe just maybe there would be the fear of a public shunning for doing certain things.

Back in the day? Not yours or mine, I realize...but, 'bad' people didn't really get that free pass back into society. My parents weren't friends with kids that had been in the klink. To this day, the ONLY people I know that have served time in prison are clients. I don't associate with people that are convicted felons, outside of my job. Actually, can't really say I associate with people that are convicted misdemeanorers', either. I am excluding the traffic offenders, btw. Does that mean I am judgmental? As if there were a doubt, right?

Certainly, I think Pres O shouldn't have said a thing.

[RICHARD]

@Nom- okay, imagine this: a teacher gets convicted of pedophilia, serves his/her time and is released. Ok to go back to teaching? I think most of us would say that is an "H" to the "N", right? Why? Cause certain crimes ARE different than others. This one was one of them, to me. Sometimes people cannot be rehabilitated. Animal abuse isn't about the animal...it is about the person.

Certainly, I think Pres O shouldn't have said a thing.

Not to cause a fight.......


But the pedo teacher is a different scenario.

MV wasn't putting NFL players to death....this was something that most likely voided the clause in his contract-some players have to sign an "I'll behave" contract. Goodell, the NFL commish suspended him, the law took their piece and according to him, Vick has discharged his sentence and can play again.

There also is the fact the NFL players do have a union contract and can hire the best lawyers to fight their cases.

It's not a world that I will ever visit.....there have been tons of S-heads that have played.

Look up Ray Lewis, Rae Carruth, the kid from the Broncos that was killed on a NY's eve a few years ago...then check out all the Guys that get busted for violating the League drug policy......

There are people in the game, now and then, who were scumbags of the same magnitude as MV...

[shais_mom]

First off let me say I haven't read anyone's replies - I will go back and do so later. And secondly I do NOT follow sports I only follow what has been sensationalized locally. But in my own humble opinion - I think EVERY man in ANY sport (and I say Man b/c you don't really hear about women doing some of the things men have done) that has a felony on his record needs their salary revoked and given to the charity closest to the crime they commited. Drug abuse, animal abuse, domestic violence etc. And they need to be out on their a## and let someone that DESERVES the job be in the job!
But anyone who thinks he is rehabilitated
read

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Dogs-Mich.../dp/1592405509

THE LOST DOGS by JIM GORANT

Call yourself an animal lover and that Vick has rehabilitated and is repentant??Read about Michael Vick (HIMSELF) and one of his cronies taking a defenseless dog and b/c she wasn't fighting the way they wanted her to, they picked her up by her hind legs and took turns beating her against the floor and wall until almost every bone in her body is broken and she is dead. Now picture that as your precious dog or cat. Or read about how his cronies beat the dogs to death with a shovel, or hung them, or drowned them in 5 gallon buckets. And remember Vick says "I didn't know what I was doing was wrong!" what part of you in your every loving right mind would possibly thing putting anything to death in the ways you did would NOT be wrong?
and if he was convicted of being a sexual offender instead of animal cruelty - would you REALLY want him living beside you? beside your children? Do you really want him living by your pets?

[Edwina's Secretary]

@Nom- okay, imagine this: a teacher gets convicted of pedophilia, serves his/her time and is released. Ok to go back to teaching? I think most of us would say that is an "H" to the "N", right? Why? Cause certain crimes ARE different than others. This one was one of them, to me. Sometimes people cannot be rehabilitated. Animal abuse isn't about the animal...it is about the person.

Absolutely a pedophile should not be allowed anywhere near children. But Vick abused animals (which I absolutely ABHOR. I think any animal fighting is disgusting and dispicable - including human boxing. I think it is dehumanizing. But animal is worse because they do not have a choice.)

And while I may think most NFL players are animals - they are not the kind of animal Vick abused.

I have this situation with managers frequently - they don't want to hire someone who has had a conviction - and my argument - if they have been punished and no one will hire them - what will they do to make a living? More crimes?

Of course, it depends on the nature of the crime and the job for which they seek employment. That doesn't mean I want to hang out with convicted felons nor condone the crimes committed.

Disgusted as I am by what Vick did - and as much as I think sports figures are overpaid - there is a principle about redemption, debt to society paid, etc. that needs to be considered.

[katladyd]

What is making me sick to my stomach is that MV is talking about owning dogs again. Scary. I don't care if he plays football again, the man has to make a living even if I detest him. The NFL SHOULD make him pay a large percentage of his salary to the ASPCA for the rest of his career. That way, some good could come from his reinstatement and high salary.

[RICHARD]

Again, not to start a fight?


Look if your loved one or SO was caught molesting kids/killing dogs/pedaling kiddie porn, it would be a different story.

Some of you would pledge solidarity to the death or run for hills.

Either way?

I hope none of you ever have to go thru that, but in reality?

Any scorn, hate or malice we hold toward MV doesn't really mean shiat.

And altho we watch from the periphery? It really doesn't matter.

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THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING ABOUT THE STORY that Staci posted was the fact that MV 'didn't know what he was doing was wrong".

That is a major flaw in the way he was raised and to me, a far more sinister problem-Vick is the one exposed to the public, how many other knuckleheads are there that roam the country unimpeded?

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There are people who have given people who have been in jail a chance.
The only one who gets thanked by the prez is the moron who gave MV the job.

With so many people out of work that DESERVE A JOB?

Barack Obama thanks the guy that hired the most obviously stupid offender.


Vick probably won BO the fantasy league championship with his play over the year.

I would not put it above the POTUS to start MV on his team..What a guy.

[phesina]

It seems to me that big-time sports superstars (and probably superstars in other big-time public worlds) get a free and easy pass on things like this. Just look at convicted-rapist-who-served-his-time Kobe Bryant. Even if they did these nasty things, they still can bring in huge amounts of money for themselves and those who give them the "second chance."

What this does is give a loud statement to the whole world that what that person did is really not that bad after all, since he is so talented (even if it is that bad if some non-super-talent did it). In other words, the evil of the deed itself is relative depending on who is doing it.

How many other publicly-known convicted rapists, animal killers, and others guilty of similarly heinous offenses would be rehired in their pre-conviction professions? There are many other people out there who did their crimes, served their time, and have no one giving them that "second chance."

I have to say I am EXTREMELY disappointed in President Obama because of this.

[RICHARD]

It seems to me that big-time sports superstars (and probably superstars in other big-time public worlds) get a free and easy pass on things like this. Just look at convicted-rapist-who-served-his-time Kobe Bryant. Even if they did these nasty things, they still can bring in so much money for themselves and those who give them that "second chance."

What this does is give a loud statement to the whole world that what that person did is really not that bad after all, when he is so talented (even if it is that bad if some non-super-talent did it).

KB was never convicted, he settled out of court and the charges were dropped when the woman refused to testify in the case.

It does suck when people get to walk on any kind of criminal case.

He also signed a huge contract -about 130 million - to endorse a product. He also got back some of his endorsement contracts after he was 'cleared', I don't like KB either but it can't denied that both of the idiots are talented beyond their 'smartness'

I am not making a case for them, nor am I praising them-it's just a fact that they are good at what they do. They do not deserve any special treatment in the real world, but I do find the people that wear the jerseys and make it an extra effort to hold them in the same esteem they had before they screwed up, to be just as stupid as their 'heroes' are.

[lizbud]

I don't care whether he plays ball or collects garbage, but he should
never ever own another dog, or any other animal for the rest of his life.

After reading about his recorded interview where he expressed a desire
to have another dog, I just about got sick to my stomach. He said
his kids were asking why they couldn't get a dog and he felt bad for them.

Maybe he should tell his children the real reason why they can't have a dog.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-a-dog-again/

[phesina]

KB was never convicted, he settled out of court and the charges were dropped when the woman refused to testify in the case.

It does suck when people get to walk on any kind of criminal case.

He also signed a huge contract -about 130 million - to endorse a product. He also got back some of his endorsement contracts after he was 'cleared', I don't like KB either but it can't denied that both of the idiots are talented beyond their 'smartness'

I am not making a case for them, nor am I praising them-it's just a fact that they are good at what they do. They do not deserve any special treatment in the real world, but I do find the people that wear the jerseys and make it an extra effort to hold them in the same esteem they had before they screwed up, to be just as stupid as their 'heroes' are.

Sorry, I thought Kobe was convicted and served time. (Now I suppose he'll sue me for libel, and win.) Shows you how closely I follow professional sports!

Still, if either of these guys, talented as they are, had ever been convicted of child abuse, they'd be history. That is the one crime that is unforgivable. But rape and animal torture/murder get a pass depending on who's done it. Such a world!

[Edwina's Secretary]

There are people who have given people who have been in jail a chance.
The only one who gets thanked by the prez is the moron who gave MV the job.

Just curious...how do you know that? How do you know the president didn't thank other people who gave ex-convicts a job? How do you know this is the only one who gets thanked?

What if he HAD been a garbage man? Should he be barred from ever being a garbage man again?

If you accept the sentiment - of the president thanking someone who gave an ex-con a second chance - would it be different if the ex-con was a pedophile? Rapist? Murderer? Drug dealer?

[RICHARD]

Just curious...how do you know that? How do you know the president didn't thank other people who gave ex-convicts a job? How do you know this is the only one who gets thanked?

What if he HAD been a garbage man? Should he be barred from ever being a garbage man again?

If you accept the sentiment - of the president thanking someone who gave an ex-con a second chance - would it be different if the ex-con was a pedophile? Rapist? Murderer? Drug dealer?

I don't pretend to play politics like you do.

And I really don't give a shiat about the garbage man, I paid property taxes and expect my trash to get hauled. As I said before and your eyes may have glazed over when you got to the part where I said that MV has a union and all the money to hire lawyers to get his job back. What garbage man has that luxury?


BTW?

Bill Richardson couldn't give Billy the Kid a pardon, so why should MV get one?

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I haven't played 'what if' with you in a while, let's make it a while more?

[Puckstop31]

Absolutely a pedophile should not be allowed anywhere near children. But Vick abused animals (which I absolutely ABHOR. I think any animal fighting is disgusting and dispicable - including human boxing. I think it is dehumanizing. But animal is worse because they do not have a choice.)

And while I may think most NFL players are animals - they are not the kind of animal Vick abused.

I have this situation with managers frequently - they don't want to hire someone who has had a conviction - and my argument - if they have been punished and no one will hire them - what will they do to make a living? More crimes?

Of course, it depends on the nature of the crime and the job for which they seek employment. That doesn't mean I want to hang out with convicted felons nor condone the crimes committed.

Disgusted as I am by what Vick did - and as much as I think sports figures are overpaid - there is a principle about redemption, debt to society paid, etc. that needs to be considered.

Holy smokes! We agree! (Well, on the core principal here about crime, punishment and REDEMPTION!)

So, I guess zebra's CAN change their stripes after all?

[Nomilynn]

@Nom- okay, imagine this: a teacher gets convicted of pedophilia, serves his/her time and is released. Ok to go back to teaching? I think most of us would say that is an "H" to the "N", right? Why? Cause certain crimes ARE different than others. This one was one of them, to me. Sometimes people cannot be rehabilitated. Animal abuse isn't about the animal...it is about the person.

I think he should never, ever, be allowed within 10 feet of an animal, alone. I think people, as a whole, should stand up and do something more when it comes to crimes like this. Not just welcome him into the football fold as if he ran a red light. Why? Cause maybe just maybe there would be the fear of a public shunning for doing certain things.

Back in the day? Not yours or mine, I realize...but, 'bad' people didn't really get that free pass back into society. My parents weren't friends with kids that had been in the klink. To this day, the ONLY people I know that have served time in prison are clients. I don't associate with people that are convicted felons, outside of my job. Actually, can't really say I associate with people that are convicted misdemeanorers', either. I am excluding the traffic offenders, btw. Does that mean I am judgmental? As if there were a doubt, right?

Certainly, I think Pres O shouldn't have said a thing.

I completely agree, that a pedophile should not be allowed to teach children. I just see this as slightly different, because he wasn't doing something that related to football. I think that the general public will shun him, and perhaps him being in the limelight is a way for that to continue to happen.

And yes, he should NEVER be allowed to be near animals again - that I completely agree with as well. I am just not sure that he shouldn't "be allowed" to play football again.. but like I said, I'm not able to look at this clearly.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I haven't played 'what if' with you in a while, let's make it a while more?

sure...try the truth...or at least some approximation of it and I'll be glad to make it forever!

I just don't like overblown rhetoric..."why is the ONLY one..." when you don't have any idea if it is true or not.