Don't touch me there?

[Marigold2]

Sparks do you fly? Many people have to do so daily. And as I said before, if we could ask the 9.11 souls if they would mind these searches now I doubt any would.
There is a difference between being safe and being paranoid.
I would rather be stipped searched then blown up in a plane, you maybe not. Maybe the idea of being naked or searched is scarier for you.
But it is not about me or you, it's about ALL the innocent souls on the plane.

[sparks19]

I choose not to fly. I am AFRAID of flying so I don't do it (not afraid because of terrorists... just a fear of flying). I didn't used to be afraid of flying. Just developed randomly.

I am aware that many people don't get the choice to not fly so they don't get the choice to NOT be fondled and groped.

THIS is not keeping you safer. This isn't some top secret hush hush project. It's a scanner that sees your skin. Then it's a pat down. That's quite easy to get around.

This is only giving the illusion of safety.

You're right... it's not about you or me. it's about all the innocent people who are being violated and touched inappropriately under the guise of safety even though it's really NOT safer. It's not going to STOP the terrorists from trying to blow up planes.

man all they gotta do is place a bomb in the cargo or get a job with the TSA (easy enough to do.. even people with criminal backgrounds can work for the TSA) and voila.

I mean if I can come up with ways around it then surely the determined terrorists have many ways around it.

This is just a pacifier to shut people up and soothe them until they realize that it was just a pacifier and not a solution for their problem.

There were terrorist attacks and planes blown up LONG before 9/11 and since 9/11 how many planes have gone down to terrorist attacks? What is justifying this NEW extreme measure?

[Marigold2]

Well this is a start. It is not perfect, but a start. They do what they can to insure peoples safety but then all the protesters come out of the woodwork and complain about governement interference and people's rights and so on and so forth.
My daughters boyfriend is a TSA. He and his co-workers try their best to keep people safe, after all they fly, their loved ones fly as well.
People are all up in arms about their rights and don't touch me here don't touch me there. Get over it. Shout up. Do what you are told. Move forward. There are 200 people behind you who have a life to lead and problems to overcome and they don't need your whinning. Lets all just do our best and get safely where we are going.
If you do have to fly someday these things might save your life.

[sparks19]

Well this is a start. It is not perfect, but a start. They do what they can to insure peoples safety but then all the protesters come out of the woodwork and complain about governement interference and people's rights and so on and so forth.
My daughters boyfriend is a TSA. He and his co-workers try their best to keep people safe, after all they fly, their loved ones fly as well.
People are all up in arms about their rights and don't touch me here don't touch me there. Get over it. Shout up. Do what you are told. Move forward. There are 200 people behind you who have a life to lead and problems to overcome and they don't need your whinning. Lets all just do our best and get safely where we are going.
If you do have to fly someday these things might save your life.

What wasn't working about what they were doing before this?

Again how many planes went down to terrorist attack after 9/11? Any?

People SHOULD be all up in arms about their rights. If you would like to be treated like cattle and herded through and poked and proded that's your business but don't expect people to just bend over and take it because you are SCARED of somethign that hasn't happened successfully since 9/11.

We got lazy before 9/11. that's why they were successful. Since then they have not been successful. there was no reason to push for this. NO reason to violate people.

This is a start... but not a start towards our safety. This doesn't make us safer. Just now our assaults will happen on our own turf by our own citizens. hooray.

We are all going to die someday.

[Grace]

Well this is a start. It is not perfect, but a start. They do what they can to insure peoples safety but then all the protesters come out of the woodwork and complain about governement interference and people's rights and so on and so forth.
My daughters boyfriend is a TSA. He and his co-workers try their best to keep people safe, after all they fly, their loved ones fly as well.
People are all up in arms about their rights and don't touch me here don't touch me there. Get over it. Shout up. Do what you are told. Move forward. There are 200 people behind you who have a life to lead and problems to overcome and they don't need your whinning. Lets all just do our best and get safely where we are going.
If you do have to fly someday these things might save your life.

Are you for real? These comments sound like the 1930s in the middle of Europe - that small man who was determined to take over the world.

Do what you are told . . . . Move forward

Disgusting.

[RICHARD]

Are you for real? These comments sound like the 1930s in the middle of Europe - that small man who was determined to take over the world.

Do what you are told . . . . Move forward

Disgusting.

I wasn't around in the '30s so......

I don't think we are looking at it from the standpoint of watching some guy with a Little Tramp moustache trying to take over the world with a perfect race.


It's more that we stop and scream about rights that we think we have.

ERrin Chase is a blowhard, stupid trouble maker that should be ashamed of
herself.

What a POS to equate a pat down in a airline terminal as a sexual assault.

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I have known 5 women who told me they were assaulted/molested/raped.

I have MORE empathy for them than a moron jumping up and down and screaming about a "sexual assault".

Why not jut keep it at the "Phyiscal Assault" level and stop the histrionics?


"I will not be the silent victim of a sexual assault".

It's probably her own dirty mind that creeped up her 'junk'.



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Avoiding flying is a normal response.

Avoiding flying because people are blow planes up is a normal response.

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Someone on the tube mentioned the amount of radiation you get from a porn scanner.

They said it was the same as getting blasted with radiation you pick up from flying @ X zillion feet-in-the-air.


So will this turn into a Cigarette/Smoking style lawsuit against the airlines?

If your job is flying back and forth on the planet and get cancer from your head being THAT much closer to the sun?

TFB.

I just saw that a family in Florida was awarded 80 million dollars because the patriarch of the family smoked himself to death.

He could not read, but the family was smart enough to get a lawyer and sue.

Go Figure.

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How many people fly everyday and we have two loose 'wing' nuts that complain about getting touched?


Touch my junk, it my wallet I am worried about.


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Hey I remember people flying to Havana-at the end of a pistol.

Again,

We put armed air marshalls on planes - randomly of course and stopped that nonsense,

[RICHARD]

OMG!


LOL, we are worried about getting touched and our right to fly?

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...ison?gt1=43001

[Catty1]

Canadians ain't much happier about this, it seems...

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

Reader comments follow the article.

[Grace]

We have a friend, a nice old lady of 81 years. She flew to Norway last month with her daughter. Coming home, in Amsterdam, she had to go through the new scanner and, in addition, was molested (her word) by a stranger. She said it was very uncomfortable, and she probably won't fly any longer.

This is a woman who normally flew several times a year.

[Karen]

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Someone on the tube mentioned the amount of radiation you get from a porn scanner.

They said it was the same as getting blasted with radiation you pick up from flying @ X zillion feet-in-the-air.

That's not the real science. The back-scatter radiation used in the full-body scanners is a very different kind of radiation that the normal stuff pilots are exposed to. Scientists - not talking heads, but scientists - are concerned that, because it does not penetrate very deep, but is concentrated near the surface, and because of the type of waves it uses, it could be harmful to those at risk for skin cancer, and even corneal cancer. Now, seeing as Paul has already had skin cancers removed several times, and not the "normal kind," and because I am one of those people who is practically a poster child for "skin cancer danger" - you go down the list, and I can check "yes" to 1. Fair skin 2. Blue or grey eyes 3. Blonde as a child 4. Sunburn easily 5. Freckled skin 6. Had sunburns before the age of 18 ... I forget, maybe there are things that I don't match on the list, but I fit all of those ... I do NOT want to ever go through one of those scanners until more science is done.

[sparks19]

That's not the real science. The back-scatter radiation used in the full-body scanners is a very different kind of radiation that the normal stuff pilots are exposed to. Scientists - not talking heads, but scientists - are concerned that, because it does not penetrate very deep, but is concentrated near the surface, and because of the type of waves it uses, it could be harmful to those at risk for skin cancer, and even corneal cancer. Now, seeing as Paul has already had skin cancers removed several times, and not the "normal kind," and because I am one of those people who is practically a poster child for "skin cancer danger" - you go down the list, and I can check "yes" to 1. Fair skin 2. Blue or grey eyes 3. Blonde as a child 4. Sunburn easily 5. Freckled skin 6. Had sunburns before the age of 18 ... I forget, maybe there are things that I don't match on the list, but I fit all of those ... I do NOT want to ever go through one of those scanners until more science is done.

I also fit into all of those catergories. I've had more than one sunburn as a child one that resulted in me being extremely ill and covered in blisters for a week.

[Grace]

Some kid sneaking his friends into the Drive in and being put off by them checking is not the same as a suicide bomber. We are checking them NOW and that hasn't stopped them from trying to get around it. what makes anyone think that THIS is the thing that will fix it? this certainly isn't a fool proof method.

and it's not really that difficult to get a job with the TSA... perhaps our bomber friends will just get a job at the airport then they can be the one assaulting people without having to deal with security... because they ARE security.

When they start sticking bombs where the sun don't shine will you submit to a cavity search everytime you fly to feel safer?

There are ways around this process (not even including the fact that they don't do this to everyone jsut select people so joe bomber could still just as easily sneak by and BOOM) and the terrorists are determined. definitely not comparable to kids sneaking into the movie theater

Seems this has already been done - at least once.

On August 27, 2009 Abdullah Asieri, one of Saudi Arabia's most wanted men, detonated a pound of explosives apparently hidden in his rectum in an effort to assassinate Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef, head of Saudi
Arabia's counter terrorism operations. Although the attempt was unsuccessful it revealed a gaping hole in current security efforts aimed at thwarting terrorist attacks. Abdullah Asieri passed through security checks at two airports and the palace security of Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef. He then spent 30 hours in the close company of Saudi secret service agents without raising suspicion. (CBSnews.com)

The assassination attempt did not succeed but security experts have suggested the amount of explosives detonated by Abdullah Asieri would have been enough to bring down an airliner in flight.

According to Chris Yates, an aviation security consultant, the only way the explosives could have been detected is if Abdullah Asieri had been stripped naked and subject to a cavity search.

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[Grace]

I LOVE this -

The ultimate idiocy is the full-body screening of the pilot. The pilot doesn't need a bomb or box cutter to bring down a plane. All he has to do is drive it into the water, like the EgyptAir pilot who crashed his plane off Nantucket while intoning "I rely on God," killing all on board.

But we must not bring that up. We pretend that we go through this nonsense as a small price paid to ensure the safety of air travel. Rubbish. This has nothing to do with safety - 95 percent of these inspections, searches, shoe removals and pat-downs are ridiculously unnecessary. The only reason we continue to do this is that people are too cowed to even question the absurd taboo against profiling - when the profile of the airline attacker is narrow, concrete, uniquely definable and universally known. So instead of seeking out terrorists, we seek out tubes of gel in stroller pouches.

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[Medusa]

I LOVE this -





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So do I.

I'll be flying on Sunday so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

[RICHARD]

The 'radiation" quote went something like this...


A pornscan is equal of two minutes of exposure to the rads you would get at altitude.

I like to swim so I get credits banked into my account.