Animal Hoarding

[Catherinedana]

With some people, one or two animals is too much. I don't know how we can stop people from taking in animals that they don't know how to care for or get tired of caring for or who think that their animals living in a hoarding situation are healthy but I do know that we can report people who are abusing and/or hoarding animals. WE MUST!!

Most of my birds were taken in as rescues and god only knows what they went through because they had been surrendered to the wild bird sanctuary where I volunteer. The others were bought from pet shops and one from a breeder, but still, 15 quaker parrots in one cage. 20 budgies in one cage with dirty water. What does this say about the care that these birds receive from the stores and breeders who are supposed to know what to do!?!

I am at bird saturation point now and although I have been approached to take birds that others could not care for I have to say no. I can't tell you how it breaks my heart, but I can't afford to add anymore birds and it will also cut into the time I have for my current birds who are established as my flock and who need my attention. People who are giving up their pets must research who they are giving them to and not just be so relieved that they found someone, anyone(!), who will take them. That is part of our responsibility toward them.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here because you all love and care for your pets the way they need to be cared for. Just please keep your eyes open. . .

Cathy and the FLock

[krazyaboutkatz]

I love animals but I know my own personal limit. I've been watching "Animal Hoarders" on Animal Planet and I'm just amazed at how these people don't even think that they have a problem or if they do they don't know how to reach out for help.

[cassiesmom]

we can report people who are abusing and/or hoarding animals.

I think that's the key, but done in a kind and caring way, with the animals' best interests in mind, rather than being punitive.

There was a sad story on the news here a few months ago about horses that were removed from a setting where they were being neglected. They were taken to a rescue organization where they received veterinary check-ups, clean water and started on a nutritionally correct diet for horses. The spokesperson for the organization said they were all expected to do well with proper care.

[Medusa]

I take a tougher stance than most, I guess, about animal hoarders. If they need counseling, and it's apparent that many do, then they should get it AFTER they serve jail sentences longer than 90 days and AFTER they pay stiff fines. Perhaps if others see that animal hoarding will no longer be tolerated, they might think twice before taking in any more animals.

Some do begin w/good intentions but I'm not buying that they just didn't realize how bad conditions became. Just a couple of days ago I watched a program about one hoarder whose house was in such deplorable, filthy, unsanitary conditions that I had to keep changing the channel. His furniture was shredded, urinated and defecated on, he didn't have sheets on his bed b/c they'd all been ruined, feces was a couple of inches high in one room and down the hall, feces was on his stove ! and elsewhere. His ailing wife had to move out b/c it was affecting her health so badly, especially after having surgery. We're supposed to believe that he didn't notice those things? And we're supposed to believe that he "loves" those cats but yet allows them to live in squalor and filth, w/o vet care and many of them w/URI's? Nope, not buying it. Charges weren't pressed against him b/c he cooperated w/authorities and surrendered the cats, even though he had previously ignored letters from them. He said that he was afraid, which tells me that he knew what he was doing was wrong and he made no effort whatsoever to clean his house up and care for those cats. That's where a mistake was made. He should've been fined and jailed as an example to other hoarders to clean up their act or pay the price. I doubt that he learned anything from the experience other than you can live like a pig w/animals and there will be no penalty for it if you cooperate w/authorities and surrender the animals. It made me furious!

[smokey the elder]

There was a person in my rescue who turned out to be a hoarder. She got very sick, and some volunteers went into the house. She had claimed 18 cats; there were actually over 50 and about 8 had to be euthanized. They are being resocialized and are doing well.

[phesina]

I take a tougher stance than most, I guess, about animal hoarders. If they need counseling, and it's apparent that many do, then they should get it AFTER they serve jail sentences longer than 90 days and AFTER they pay stiff fines. Perhaps if others see that animal hoarding will no longer be tolerated, they might think twice before taking in any more animals.

Some do begin w/good intentions but I'm not buying that they just didn't realize how bad conditions became. Just a couple of days ago I watched a program about one hoarder whose house was in such deplorable, filthy, unsanitary conditions that I had to keep changing the channel. His furniture was shredded, urinated and defecated on, he didn't have sheets on his bed b/c they'd all been ruined, feces was a couple of inches high in one room and down the hall, feces was on his stove ! and elsewhere. His ailing wife had to move out b/c it was affecting her health so badly, especially after having surgery. We're supposed to believe that he didn't notice those things? And we're supposed to believe that he "loves" those cats but yet allows them to live in squalor and filth, w/o vet care and many of them w/URI's? Nope, not buying it. Charges weren't pressed against him b/c he cooperated w/authorities and surrendered the cats, even though he had previously ignored letters from them. He said that he was afraid, which tells me that he knew what he was doing was wrong and he made no effort whatsoever to clean his house up and care for those cats. That's where a mistake was made. He should've been fined and jailed as an example to other hoarders to clean up their act or pay the price. I doubt that he learned anything from the experience other than you can live like a pig w/animals and there will be no penalty for it if you cooperate w/authorities and surrender the animals. It made me furious!

And if that guy wasn't charged for this but just let go back home, I bet anything he's accumulating more cats again.

[lizbud]

I think there is a big mental health issue here & harsh punishment
should be reserved for the most egregious cases where deliberate animal
cruelty is documented. They should be required to undergro mental health
counceling & classes on animal health & behavior.

[Asiel]

I have to agree with Medussa on this hoarding issue. These people know exactly what they're doing. Can someone tell me how anyone who claims to love animals so much wouldn't care that they lived the way they did? To tell the truth I think those cats would have been better off on their own in the bush somewhere, they always seem to find sanctuaries that have food and shelter and at least they're cleaner than those homes. They have less chance of getting sick in the fresh air and open spaces. Same as those hoarding dogs. We just had one home raided and 36 toy breeds were found, most of them requiring vet care while some had to be euthanized. I agree with strict jail terms and rehab after the sentence is finished and the debt to those animals paid in full. Putting them to work as volunteers in shelters for a few years might teach them something about hoarding.

[phesina]

Yes, definitely it is a mental health issue, but somehow the behavior pattern has to be stopped. If there are no unpleasant consequences for the hoarders, they're just going to go back to doing more of it.. for whatever motivations, conscious or unconscious, that had them doing it before.

[wolfsoul]

Unfortunatly hoarders really DON'T understand what they are doing. They feel that if the animal has lived that way forever, that the animal knows nothing different; Therefore, it has nothing to be sad about. That the way they live, whether it's sick, dying, in pain, whatever, is better off than being dead -- While a normal person would be able to end the animal's suffering, an animal hoarder feels that death is the worst outcome.
I know because my grandmother is a hoarder. She has had literally hundreds of cats, and dozens of dogs at a time. Chickens, geese, guinea pigs, rabbits, etc.
When she moved away (out into the bush) the forest fires had driven alot of animals into her area, so the coyotes etc did away with most of the cats, which was actually lucky for us because we were able to spay all of the females but two, and neuter all of the males but a three or four. That was years ago so she has probably built up yet another army of them by now, not sure.
She heard me bashing puppy mills once and flipped out, told me that the dogs didn't know that life could be better so that is just fine for them -- how else can you get a cheap dog (even though pet stores charge outrageous prices)?? Said the same thing about over 50 husky/mal/shep mixes that were chained up in her area, suffering from giardia, most of them being PTS -- she completely flipped out. The dogs had always been there and were happy, so she didn't think it was right to take them away from there. They didn't know better.

The last time I went to her house, she had cat feces on her counter, in her bath tub, and on her bed. She knew we were coming over.
She smells so badly like a litter box when she comes here. Anything she gives us needs to be washed several times to get the smell out.

She always had too many animals -- but it didn't get really bad until my grandpa left her. Then she went out of control. My mom and aunts are very resentful. My mom remembers her friend waiting on the steps to her house for over an hour so my mom could come play -- but she wasn't allowed to go play until she was finished cleaning the cages. She had to scrub them all. Over an hour later, her friend had to go home for dinner, and my mom wasn't done yet. The kids were responsible for the animals.
One time she and my aunts walked a long ways to take a litter of kittens to the vet. The vet said the kittens were suffering and would likely die anyways -- they needed to be put down. So they left the kittens there. When they got home, my grandma was so furious, she flipped out and made them go back and pick the sick kittens back up again.
Years later, my dad recalls her having too many vehicles -- a long driveway, with several vehicles, and a dog tied to each one. He specifically remembers a dalmatian tied up on a short chain to a van, seemingly going out of it's mind.
I remember when one of her dogs got loose and cut itself -- a huge gash in it's neck, you could see all her insides. She let it stay on the chain because she couldn't take it to the vet until the next day. I could just remember the collar touching the gash and it grossed me out so bad. She didn't really seem to think it was that bad.
That is the problem with hoarders, it's never THAT BAD. To them, it's just the only way the animals have lived, and life is better than death... So to them it's perfectly rational.They don't realise that they are thinking of their own feelings, and how difficult it is for them to lose those animals; They don't consider that maybe it's in the animal's best interest to BE lost...They just refuse to think that way.

[Twisterdog]

Perhaps if others see that animal hoarding will no longer be tolerated, they might think twice before taking in any more animals.

I have dealt with quite a few hoarders personally over the past couple of decades, working with shelters and humane societies. Without fail every single one of them went on to hoard again, and again, at every opportunity. Some have done jail time, some have been court-ordered into mental health evalutations and counseling. And yet, given the slightest opportunity, the first thing they do is start grabbing up animals.

It sickens and infuriates me as much as the next person, but I've also talked to and dealt with these people personally. Not saying every person with too many animals is a true hoarder, but a true hoarder is mentally ill. They do not see reality. It's just as real a mental issue as bi-polar disorder or schitzophrenia ... one does not simply stop being mentally ill because they served jail time or paid a fine. It's not a choice they can make.

[lizbud]

It sickens and infuriates me as much as the next person, but I've also talked to and dealt with these people personally. Not saying every person with too many animals is a true hoarder, but a true hoarder is mentally ill. They do not see reality. It's just as real a mental issue as bi-polar disorder or schitzophrenia ... one does not simply stop being mentally ill because they served jail time or paid a fine. It's not a choice they can make.

I agree. No amount of fines or punishment will cure these folks.Anyone
who sees what their living conditions are and thinks that things are normal,
clearly has a skewed view of reality.

[Alysser]

I knew someone, who I guess you could call an animal hoarder. She at one time had 6 cats, 3 dogs, 4 ferrets, 3 guinea pigs, fish, and hermit crabs. Normally, I guess this wouldn't have been a problem but her parents could not afford the pets. Her ferret lived the last half of it's like with a giant tumor on his tail. Her guinea pigs cages were gross. Her house smelled of cat pee and there was hair LITERALLY everywhere, even in the food. It's not the most a hoarder can have but she couldn't handle it, and some of her animals suffered from it. They never could afford a "vet". they had AC called on them twice in the 8 years I knew her. I would consider them a hoarder just because they were over their limits and they knew it.

[Randi]

I do believe there is a mental health issue when it comes to hoarders. They take in all these animals because they probably love them and it soon gets out of control. Often, these people don't have the money to care for them properly, so I agree that they should get counseling and not be allowed to have more than a few animals, if any!

Concerning punishment for what they do... sadly, I don't think it will have an effect. However, the people who are not mentally retarded should pay the price!

I think it's amazing that neighbors don't notice these conditions and do something about it.