Sex abuse in church

**lizbud** · 04-09-2010, 07:08 PM

Does anybody think that the problem would be solved by the Pope
stepping down? Do you think child abuse happens only in the Catholic
Church? Or how about freeing priests from vows of celibacy will help end
child abuse.

Here's an interesting article to consider on these questions.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/235885

**kokopup** · 04-09-2010, 08:29 PM

I agree with just about every thing that this writer said but there was one glaring problem, Joseph Ratzinger. Before becoming Pope it was his policies that made the problems worst since vatican 2. The cloak of Secrecy made it appear that things were better since 2002, when all the while payouts for silence are at an all time high. The very man that denounced the deviate behavior as Pope was the same man that created the cloak of secrecy that bred deviate behavior since Vatican 2.

It is true that there is a global problem with sex abuse in all segments of society. In the general public Homosexually is about 10% or 1 in 10 people you know may be homosexual. In the Priesthood they can't agree on an actual % but it is between 25% to 75 % of the clergy. Marriage may not be the solution
but if marriage was agreed on by the Vatican(hold your Breath) then their power would be diminished and over time the problems could be rooted out of the RCC. Civil law could be used to prosecute rather than hiding behind rehab and transfers. The POPE has to much power PERIOD.

**Marigold2** · 04-09-2010, 09:36 PM

The pope should step down because he hid a crime, sex abuse against children, he should be sent to jail, just as any other person would if they hid a crime like this.
The law should apply to all regardless of status, money, power. Sex abuse against children needs to be stopped and if that means sending the pope to jail as the ringleader for hiding this crime then maybe that is what it will take to get the ball rolling and keep our children safe.
This is NOT about the church!!!! This is ABOUT children who were sexually abused and have a right to see their rapists jailed so no other child has to suffer.
I understand people have great loyalty to the church. But what about the children, are they not more inmportant then grown men in robes weeding out judgement right and left while sexually abusing that very child.
How can anyone put the church above a child?

**blue** · 04-10-2010, 01:28 AM

Still with the church and the pope?

Somebody run the numbers of the abused kids in the USA alone. Does the church or state and fed foster care abuse more kids? Obama is the head Fed, he should report to jail for all of the kids abused in the foster child system.

**wombat2u2004** · 04-10-2010, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by blue

Still with the church and the pope?

Somebody run the numbers of the abused kids in the USA alone. Does the church or state and fed foster care abuse more kids? Obama is the head Fed, he should report to jail for all of the kids abused in the foster child system.

No Blue....you got it all wrong.
What we are saying is that ALL people who abuse kids should be answerable.
And at the moment the priests within the Catholic church are not answerable in the same way as everyone else is.
If someone sexually abuses a child, they should be given a penalty, regardless of who they are or where they are.....and that penalty should be the same for everyone who commits that crime.

**blue** · 04-10-2010, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

No Blue....you got it all wrong.
What we are saying is that ALL people who abuse kids should be answerable.
And at the moment the priests within the Catholic church are not answerable in the same way as everyone else is.
If someone sexually abuses a child, they should be given a penalty, regardless of who they are or where they are.....and that penalty should be the same for everyone who commits that crime.

What do I have wrong? I have stated, anybody who abuses a child, forfeits any rights they have, including the right to live.

**wombat2u2004** · 04-10-2010, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by blue

What do I have wrong? I have stated, anybody who abuses a child, forfeits any rights they have, including the right to live.

Yeah, but you made a point a while ago that everyone here was attacking or demonising the church. So why should the church be treated differently ??
If the Pope is guilty of hiding the true facts, then he should also face the consequences.

**Marigold2** · 04-10-2010, 08:41 PM

And so Blue should this also then be the fate of the priets and the pope?

Originally Posted by blue

What do I have wrong? I have stated, anybody who abuses a child, forfeits any rights they have, including the right to live.

**wombat2u2004** · 04-10-2010, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

How can anyone put the church above a child?

It's seems Ratzinger has.

**wombat2u2004** · 04-10-2010, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by kokopup

I agree with just about every thing that this writer said but there was one glaring problem, Joseph Ratzinger. Before becoming Pope it was his policies that made the problems worst since vatican 2. The cloak of Secrecy made it appear that things were better since 2002, when all the while payouts for silence are at an all time high. The very man that denounced the deviate behavior as Pope was the same man that created the cloak of secrecy that bred deviate behavior since Vatican 2.

It is true that there is a global problem with sex abuse in all segments of society. In the general public Homosexually is about 10% or 1 in 10 people you know may be homosexual. In the Priesthood they can't agree on an actual % but it is between 25% to 75 % of the clergy. Marriage may not be the solution
but if marriage was agreed on by the Vatican(hold your Breath) then their power would be diminished and over time the problems could be rooted out of the RCC. Civil law could be used to prosecute rather than hiding behind rehab and transfers. The POPE has to much power PERIOD.

Yes, I do agree with that mate. Let them marry and it'll only be a matter of time before things balance out. At the moment, it's too lopsided.