Sex abuse in church

[Asiel]

I believe that research has shown, time and again, that rape is NOT a sexual issue.

Molestation is not a sexual issue...it is a deviant mindset.

Being gay does not make someone a pedophile. There is simply no relation to one's sexual preference and molestation. Gays like men or women....pedophiles like CHILDREN.

Allowing or disallowing priests to marry doesn't alter the deviant mindset of molestation. Molestation is NOT caused by some pent up sexual frustration.

Wacked is wacked...whether you are married or not.

Cataholic makes a lot of sense in this post. I can understand some people thinking that letting priests marry might make a difference and in a small minority it might.
But many pedophiles, homosexulas are married and it doesn't change their mindset. There are as many sexual deviants in married couples that in all walks of life.
I'm sure many of us know of these odd couples who will spend hours watching porno , including porno of little children...are these not sexual deviants?
If marriage would be the answer to this problem then you wouldn't see these half *ss deviant couples having to turn to porno to satisfy themselves. When police raid their homes and come out with box after box of porn with little kids posing I'd say they are simply deviants regardless of the life they chose. Being married is another way for them to hide , just like hiding behind priesthood.
Your neighbour could be one of them and you would never suspect it from the facade he displays for the neighbourhood. Heck, some of these sickos even use their own kids and make them pose for videos...sick!!

[kokopup]

It is true that at this late time, marriage will not fix the problem within the church, but it is a beginning. The original reason the church came up with the no marriage law was to remove the possibility that his offspring would have any claim on the church. Celibacy today is their way of insuring status quo. The Power of the Papacy is dependent now on keeping their Priest beholden to the powers in the Vatican. If there was a witch hunt today to root out all of the deviant Priest the church would collapse. It may collapse in spite of all they can do anyway. The payout for hush money is approaching 1.5 billion and with the coffers shrinking it may just be a matter of time. The Pope is in big trouble of his own making and it will become increasingly hard for him to talk out of both side of his mouth.

I do not agree with Cataholic of simplistic assessment of gays verse pedophile since there are gays that are also Pedophiles. It becomes a thing of opportunity when he is insured by THE POWERS that there is no penalty for getting caught. It is true that marriage does not insure that there will not be deviate behavior because we see in our general public married gays and pedophiles. The problem facing the RCC is they have inbred the priesthood that has become increasingly deviate in nature. Celibacy is not natural and no matter how hard the church has tried, it has not worked. A thousand years of failure should have taught them something. Vatican 2 was their chance to get it right but the current Pope as "Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" saw to it that the cloak of secrecy returned to hide the guilty. Now as Pope Benedict the 16th he has a long rocky road ahead.

[wombat2u2004]

No, I don't agree with Cataholics post either. Too general, when a multitude of variables exist.

As I posted previously, priests must be held accountable for their crimes under the Common Law, and be punished as anyone else in the community would be for the same crimes....and add to that person or persons who have given sanctuary to the perpetrators, who use a religious establishment as a safe haven for them.
Marriage I believe would help the situation, as Bill said, it's a start.......and if it helps, then it has to be worth a shot.

I am aware that their are pedophiles, gays, pornographers, molesters, rapists etc etc in the community, married or not, nobody is disputing that here. But how would you feel if there were a special law to protect these people ??? I don't know Asiel if you have children, Cataholic has a child. I have children. Most people here on this forum have children.
Think about that.....!!!!!
A law....a very special law to protect those who violate children.
How do you think the community would react to that ????
I'm sure the community would have something to say to the lawmakers....do you think ????
But here we are accused of verbally attacking the Catholic church !!!!
Double standards ???? I believe so.

[Asiel]

Of course I have children. If I didn't I wouldn't take this matter so seriously. I also count the hundreds of children who have passed through my doors to be part of mine. And yes, we do need a law that will bring justice for the crimes on our children but it never seems to get anywhere no matter how hard the general public tries. We've been fighting these crimes for ages and nothing seems to have come of it, the priests , bishops etc are still protected behind closed doors. The abused are the ones paying the piper.

[wombat2u2004]

Of course I have children. If I didn't I wouldn't take this matter so seriously. I also count the hundreds of children who have passed through my doors to be part of mine. And yes, we do need a law that will bring justice for the crimes on our children but it never seems to get anywhere no matter how hard the general public tries. We've been fighting these crimes for ages and nothing seems to have come of it, the priests , bishops etc are still protected behind closed doors. The abused are the ones paying the piper.

Yes, that is true. But if public opinion becomes strong enough, perhaps something can be done about it.

[Asiel]

One can only keep hoping I guess. Maybe someday in the distant future it will happen. I don't see anything changing real fast around here yet.
I'm actually waiting to see what the Pope's next move will be....

[Marigold2]

Maybe he should step down, it's the honest thing to do.

[wombat2u2004]

I'm actually waiting to see what the Pope's next move will be....

Well that's gonna be real interesting when it happens.
I think he's going to have some explaining to do