Sex abuse in church

[wombat2u2004]

No, you can't neuter people because of the situation they are in.
Not unless they consent to it.
Where would you draw the line ????
The answers to the whole problem are simple..........
1. Allow priests and nuns to marry.
2. If individuals of a particular church are beyond the reach of the Common Law, then change that to ensure those who default are subjected to the same laws as everyone else in the community.
3. Increase the penalties for those who are found guilty of such crimes.
4. Ensure that the church pays adequate compensation to the victims.
(If the Catholic church has to pay out big bucks for every compensation case, then they will soon change their minds about protecting their own.)

Easy peasy !!!!

[pomtzu]

No, you can't neuter people because of the situation they are in.
Not unless they consent to it.
Where would you draw the line ????
The answers to the whole problem are simple..........
1. Allow priests and nuns to marry.

I think that you and I are the only ones here that see this as a very real and simple solution to eliminate a great deal of the problem in the Church.

[Asiel]

No, you can't neuter people because of the situation they are in.
Not unless they consent to it.
Where would you draw the line ????
The answers to the whole problem are simple..........
1. Allow priests and nuns to marry.
2. If individuals of a particular church are beyond the reach of the Common Law, then change that to ensure those who default are subjected to the same laws as everyone else in the community.
3. Increase the penalties for those who are found guilty of such crimes.
4. Ensure that the church pays adequate compensation to the victims.
(If the Catholic church has to pay out big bucks for every compensation case, then they will soon change their minds about protecting their own.)

Easy peasy !!!!

The only thing I can agree with here is No.1.

As for applying No.2 you can change the laws all you want and make them subject to the same laws as the community but it wouldn't change a thing because the churches would still protect them and the families of the abused would end up the victims again and again. I've been a witness to a few families who tried to seek justice and the threats they received from their church were unbelievable. And did you ever see an abused child decide to finally confide in his parents but cry and scream not to say anything because he was threatend to be cut up with a knife if he told?

No.3 doesn't apply because there are no penalties. the only penalty a guilty priest has ever received was to be changed from that parish to another where he continued his vile practices. and on and on.

No.4 might apply to a few priests but the ones who get off scott free outnumber the ones that are nailed and the little compensation the family receives is laughable considering those boys are scarred for life

In the area we live in there are numerous Catholic churches that have been sold because of lack of attendance, you can't keep a church open with no people supporting it.
We used to be faithful churchgoers until the lid blew off the whole thing. So they not only harm children but they destroy a lot of peoples' faith. Most of our relatives and friends don't attend church anymore.

Really don't know what the answer is but maybe letting nuns and priests marry would be the first step to take.

[wombat2u2004]

The only thing I can agree with here is No.1.

As for applying No.2 you can change the laws all you want and make them subject to the same laws as the community but it wouldn't change a thing because the churches would still protect them and the families of the abused would end up the victims again and again. I've been a witness to a few families who tried to seek justice and the threats they received from their church were unbelievable. And did you ever see an abused child decide to finally confide in his parents but cry and scream not to say anything because he was threatend to be cut up with a knife if he told?

No.3 doesn't apply because there are no penalties. the only penalty a guilty priest has ever received was to be changed from that parish to another where he continued his vile practices. and on and on.

No.4 might apply to a few priests but the ones who get off scott free outnumber the ones that are nailed and the little compensation the family receives is laughable considering those boys are scarred for life

In the area we live in there are numerous Catholic churches that have been sold because of lack of attendance, you can't keep a church open with no people supporting it.
We used to be faithful churchgoers until the lid blew off the whole thing. So they not only harm children but they destroy a lot of peoples' faith. Most of our relatives and friends don't attend church anymore.

Really don't know what the answer is but maybe letting nuns and priests marry would be the first step to take.

2 is quite possible,
3 and 4 would follow on.

[Cataholic]

2. If individuals of a particular church are beyond the reach of the Common Law, then change that to ensure those who default are subjected to the same laws as everyone else in the community.

Here, in the US, priests are NOT beyond the reach of the common (or statutory) law. I think most abuse statutes are now codified, rather than simply a result of the common law.