A very Bad Law

[blue]

You gotta love the fearmongering in the OpEd.

And if property rights trump individual rights, property owners should be able to allow smoking in their establishments.

[wombat2u2004]

You gotta love the fearmongering in the OpEd.

And if property rights trump individual rights, property owners should be able to allow smoking in their establishments.

That's right !!!! And booze, and women of ill repute.
The possibilities are endless.

[lizbud]

Tuesday, March 9, 2010
Lawmakers OK guns at work; Portage worker opens fire


Talk about bad timing.

I usually don't agree with much that the Indiana Chamber of Commerce has to say, but on the issue of guns in the workplace I have to agree with the chamber folks -- guns don't belong at work.

Ironically, the day after the General Assembly passed a law allowing Hoosier to take their guns to work as long as they keep them locked in their car or truck, an "angry worker at the Department of Workforce Development in Portage walked out to his car, grabbed a 12-gauge shotgun, and fired into his office," The Post-Tribune reported.

Here's more from the P-T:

"All of the arguments against this are now coming true," State Rep. Charlie Brown, D-Gary, said when he was told about the shooting Friday. "I'm sorry to hear that. I really am."

Supporters say the bill protects the Second Amendment rights of Hoosiers, making sure they are able to protect themselves while they are at the workplace.

"It goes back to the fundamental constitutional right to bear arms," (State Sen. Ed) Charbonneau, R-Valparaiso, said.

Gov. Mitch Daniels didn't commit to signing the bill when he met with reporters Friday. He said he wants to read it first. Republican Daniels is flirting with the idea of a presidential bid in 2012. It'll be interesting to see how he handles a bill championed by the NRA.

But Brown called out the powerful lobbying group before the House's vote on the bill. He joined local lawmakers who included Smith and Randolph in speaking out against it, saying the NRA's influence cuts across party lines.

"I think once and for all we need to tell the NRA, 'Hell, no, you don't have a stranglehold on this chamber,'" Brown said. "I'm not afraid of the NRA."

Northern Lake County lawmakers told their colleagues the legislation wasn't popular in their hometowns and crosses a dangerous line. They argued the owners of private properties should decide whether guns are present.

"I think we're violating a very personal right," (State Rep.) Vernon Smith, D-Gary, said.

In that much, Smith and Charbonneau might agree. Charbonneau said the bill might end up in a courtroom to sort out the conflict between the rights of property owners and gun owners.

But Charbonneau said he chose to vote with the constitution.

"It's not an easy issue to decide where to come down," Charbonneau said.
Posted by Terry Burns at 4:05 AM

[Puckstop31]

Tuesday, March 9, 2010
Lawmakers OK guns at work; Portage worker opens fire


Talk about bad timing.

I usually don't agree with much that the Indiana Chamber of Commerce has to say, but on the issue of guns in the workplace I have to agree with the chamber folks -- guns don't belong at work.

... <snip>

A sad story indeed. Explain to me how a "no guns at work" law would have prevented this. See, there are so many other questions to ask and issues to be addressed.

Would this law grant an employer the right to search employees cars? Are we really willing to give up personal privacy rights for a job?

I say again... All the gun laws in the world won't stop this stuff from happening. Because only the law abiding will follow the law. All the emotional "feel good" law in the world won't change it.

[Cataholic]

I am 44 years old, something I don't like to publically admit (j/k, kind of). In 44 years, I have never felt the need to bring a gun to work, or anywhere else. I did have a pocket knife on my key chain once. That thing was so handy, too. But, a gun? Never.

And, if my employer wants to search my car? Go for it. Watch out for the used tissues from the chronically infested sinus cavity I call J, and zone bar wrappers. Oh, yeah, also, that cup that had milk in it from the am? Can you rinse that out, too?

I don't care who searches my car- search away. But, if you steal a Wiggles CD, you are in for it, Mister.

[Puckstop31]

I am 44 years old, something I don't like to publically admit (j/k, kind of). In 44 years, I have never felt the need to bring a gun to work, or anywhere else. I did have a pocket knife on my key chain once. That thing was so handy, too. But, a gun? Never.

And, if my employer wants to search my car? Go for it. Watch out for the used tissues from the chronically infested sinus cavity I call J, and zone bar wrappers. Oh, yeah, also, that cup that had milk in it from the am? Can you rinse that out, too?

I don't care who searches my car- search away. But, if you steal a Wiggles CD, you are in for it, Mister.

I see where you are coming from. But, again, this is not about a 'need'. Its about passing another stupid law that will do zero to prevent workplace shootings. All it would do (if I did not work for myself that is) is hassle people like me and many others who hunt/target shoot/other legal gun use and want to go straight to or from said activity to or from work.

Its like every state that has passed a shall issue CCW law... Just about every time the Brady Campaign and the like freaks out and says its going to be the Wild West... And in every case, it does not happen.

I know it is hard for some people to fathom, but more guns in the hands of LEGAL and LAW ABIDING people means less violent crime. The FBI crime statistics do not lie.

[lizbud]

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And if property rights trump individual rights, property owners should be able to allow smoking in their establishments.

Are you sitting down? I agree with you.

[lizbud]

I am 44 years old, something I don't like to publically admit (j/k, kind of). In 44 years, I have never felt the need to bring a gun to work, or anywhere else. I did have a pocket knife on my key chain once. That thing was so handy, too. But, a gun? Never.

I feel the same way and am amazed & kinda shocked that some people
are so afraid for their very lives & must have access to a weapon at all times.

I really see this bill as a unwelcome denial of property rights.

http://www.insideindianabusiness.com...m.asp?ID=40157

[Puckstop31]

I feel the same way and am amazed & kinda shocked that some people
are so afraid for their very lives & must have access to a weapon at all times.

That is not even close to why I carry a gun. It has nothing to do with fear.

I really see this bill as a unwelcome denial of property rights.

http://www.insideindianabusiness.com...m.asp?ID=40157

I can see this being true. The problem is such a law will not have the desired effect.

[blue]

I agree with you.

It was bound to happen sooner or later.

[lizbud]

It was bound to happen sooner or later.

Yeah, even a broken clock is right twice a day. LOL

[Catty1]

It was bound to happen sooner or later.

Calling Mr. Ripley...*dialing*

[wombat2u2004]

Yeah, even a broken clock is right twice a day. LOL

HAH !!!! What a comeback.....luv it !!!!! hee hee

[Puckstop31]

Dip...Dive...Duck...Dodge...and.....Dodge.


I don't blame ya...

[lizbud]

The problem is such a law will not have the desired effect.

WE don't really need a law. The people who want to carry a gun on to
a Company parking lot, should just park some place else, off the Company
property. Nobodys rights will be violated.