Don't ask, Don't tell

[blue]

......and will continue to change, thank goodness.

And if change causes unrest among our troops, its a good thing?


I would bet both LH and Puck served with the gays during their years in the service. I would further bet that there was a gay in my training platoon, and more then one in my series, and maybe a half a dozen or more on MCRDSD during my short time there. I cant speak for Puck or LH, but I dont have any problem with gays in our military and I dont think they do either.

I can see this "change" ending badly if the PC and GA groups have too much say in the "change".

[wombat2u2004]

This documentary just about explains it all..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2ecasPqhgk

[blue]

I may have to smack my Ausie friends around if this is what yall call documentary.

But that isnt to far off from what I fear will happen if the PC and GA groups get their way.

[Karen]

And if change causes unrest among our troops, its a good thing?

If the unrest is simply that, yes. There was unrest when the service was integrated, but it settled down after some time. Hopefully this is handled well, and the same will happen.

[smokey the elder]

I'm sure the first female plebe at each service acadamy had a few issues.

[Lady's Human]

If the unrest is simply that, yes. There was unrest when the service was integrated, but it settled down after some time. Hopefully this is handled well, and the same will happen.

Not completely, but that wouldn't be politically correct news, now, would it?

[lizbud]

What are the straights afraid of? Do they think gays will attack the first
man/woman after getting rid of DADT? LOL The younger aged "kids" moving
up in the military ranks nowadays, don't have the old prejudices. I think
the removal of DADT, will not be as big a problem , as some think.

[Lady's Human]

The end of DADT will be a bloody (literally bloody) nightmare, but you'll probably never hear about it.

It will just get piled into the pile of training that units have to do during the week. Be nice to everyone training, cultural/ethnic/racial/sexual/don't sleep with the commander/his wife/his dog/ training that already takes one training day per week out of the training cycle for mandatory classes.

How about this.......

When you can convincingly prove that all the other social stressors in military units have been effectively handled, then end DADT.

Until then, leave it well enough alone.

Too much upheaval in the force in the middle of a war isn't exactly a brilliant suggestion, and goes further to show how distanced the JCS are from the troops.

[wombat2u2004]

Be nice to everyone training, cultural/ethnic/racial/sexual/don't sleep with the commander/his wife/his dog/ training that already takes one training day per week out of the training cycle for mandatory classes.

Might be safer to sleep with the dog !!!!

[caseysmom]

What are the straights afraid of? Do they think gays will attack the first
man/woman after getting rid of DADT? LOL The younger aged "kids" moving
up in the military ranks nowadays, don't have the old prejudices. I think
the removal of DADT, will not be as big a problem , as some think.

Actually a lot of the young military guys still feel the same way, I think they don't want to be showering etc with guys that like other guys. I guess I can see their point.

[lizbud]

Actually a lot of the young military guys still feel the same way, I think they don't want to be showering etc with guys that like other guys. I guess I can see their point.

Well, I can always dream that people are getting smarter and
kinder with every generation.

Maybe I should look up more stats on this question. Can't hurt.

[caseysmom]

Well, I can always dream that people are getting smarter and
kinder with every generation.

Maybe I should look up more stats on this question. Can't hurt.

Some things take a long time to change unfortunately.

[Puckstop31]

Well, I can always dream that people are getting smarter and
kinder with every generation.

Maybe I should look up more stats on this question. Can't hurt.

"Smarter"? "Kinder"? By who's standard?

Then "Stats" on this 'question'?


Subjective much?


Are you willfully ignoring everything LH and I are saying? People, you know, who actually really served in the REAL Army and can tell you that 3/4's of the stuff you read is not true?

Of course not....

[blue]

If the unrest is simply that, yes. There was unrest when the service was integrated, but it settled down after some time. Hopefully this is handled well, and the same will happen.

So the gays should be segregated on bases and while deployed? Should they receive separate training as well? They should be treated as a special protected group?

Causing unrest while troops are deployed IMHO is not a good idea.

I dont think anybody has said the gays shouldnt be in the military in this thread, but it should be left to the military on how to openly let the gays integrate in the military.

[RICHARD]

I have to clarify my point..

I don't who you date.

I feel that who you have a relationship with is your own business. I really am put out when people do the PDA thing or start to talk raunchy about "last night". I am not a prude and love a great dirty joke, but when you start to talk about your SO - who I happened to meet at the last party/function/get together- you have overstepped the line.

It's your business, not mine.

I have always been of the mind that you come to work, work, go home- when your homelife follows you in, that's not good.

I find any couple doing the kissy face, grab arse-ing in public to be disrespectful, obnoxious and rude.If they treat a relationship with such ilittle thought in public, they probably treat their professional life the same way.

But hey, I am more afraid of the straight, religiously radical moron trying to light his testicles on fire because he's wearing BVDs soaked in kerosene.

I somehow suspect that they are harder to deal with than gay people. it's just a hunch!