I'm just wondering whats your thought on chaining a dog?

[Twisterdog]

I don't understand why you guys are picking at Marty now too just because he has APBTs and he's new. His intentions weren't to create controversy. He just asked opinions. Like I said, I don't agree with chaning, but your dogs obviously aren't neglected, they are well taken care of.

Planned controversy thread, step two. Quite transparent.

No one is "picking on" anyone. We are answering a question that we were asked. And where did this "PT hates pit bulls" thing come from all of a sudden? Seriously? This site is one of the most friendly, calm, kind sites on the internet, IMO. I have never seen anyone breed-bash on this site, and I've been on here for almost a decade. This is a really silly bit of drama lately, and this site doesn't deserve it.

However, for the sake of the OP's question, I'll ignore the obvious set-up and give my opinion.

I HATE to see a dog chained up. Obviously, some situations are worse than others, and no one is implying that every chained dog is neglected and unloved. However, I think chaining a dog is a terrible thing to do. We do not chain other animals - no one chains their horse to a fence for fifteen years, or their cat to a tree. Why do dogs have to suffer this unique fate? Because they are compliant and want to please? How sad.

I have no problem with an indoor dog who is put on a tie-out to do potty business, none at all. I have a problem with dogs who live outside on a chain all the time. Even if they have a nice doghouse and a long chain, I still hate it. I could chain my kids to their comfy bed on a chain long enough for them to reach their desk and the toilet ... would that make it right?

My children fight with each other sometimes. They also make have messy rooms and bad table manner once in a while. Never once did it occur to me to chain them to their beds.

My sister has eight Siberian huskies of her own, and always numerous foster and rescue Siberians. Anyone who has owned Sibes or knows much about them knows that they can be extreme escape artists. However, my sister took the time and made the effort to make sure all her dogs were in secure, escape-proof yards, and the ones that need to be separated are. She didn't just throw up her hands and chain them up.

I own a twenty-five kennel boarding kennel. I made escape-proof runs. I have nine dogs of my own. My RB Jindo could climb trees and get on roofs. My IG's can get in, on or through just about anything, I swear. I always have a least one or two rescue dogs. I did what I had to do with fences, concrete, etc. to provide a secure yard system for them. No dog of mine has EVER been chained up. I just don't buy the excuses a lot of people give for chaining.

[*LabLoverKEB*]

Planned controversy thread, step two. Quite transparent.

No one is "picking on" anyone. We are answering a question that we were asked. And where did this "PT hates pit bulls" thing come from all of a sudden? Seriously? This site is one of the most friendly, calm, kind sites on the internet, IMO. I have never seen anyone breed-bash on this site, and I've been on here for almost a decade. This is a really silly bit of drama lately, and this site doesn't deserve it.

You said it my friend....... *claps hands*

[blue]

Planned controversy thread, step two. Quite transparent.

Some people cant wait to be offended by an imagined controversy. Ive seen Marty post on other boards and controversy was not his intention IMO with this thread.

No one is "picking on" anyone. We are answering a question that we were asked. And where did this "PT hates pit bulls" thing come from all of a sudden? Seriously? This site is one of the most friendly, calm, kind sites on the internet, IMO. I have never seen anyone breed-bash on this site, and I've been on here for almost a decade. This is a really silly bit of drama lately, and this site doesn't deserve it.

I agree this thread should be and been left to the OT, chaining. Not....

IMO APBT can not be trusted unrestrained no matter how much they are socialized.

However, for the sake of the OP's question, I'll ignore the obvious set-up and give my opinion.

I HATE to see a dog chained up. Obviously, some situations are worse than others, and no one is implying that every chained dog is neglected and unloved. However, I think chaining a dog is a terrible thing to do. We do not chain other animals - no one chains their horse to a fence for fifteen years, or their cat to a tree. Why do dogs have to suffer this unique fate? Because they are compliant and want to please? How sad.

So your opinion on chaining is at least partially based on your emotional response to seeing a dog chained regardless of the circumstances or how well the dogs are cared for. Fair enough, cant blame you for that.

Ive seen horses confined to stalls for most of their lives, only being let out when their owners wish to work them. Cats being confined to a single room only getting interaction when their owner wishes it. Not the same as being chained to a tree but close.

My sister has eight Siberian huskies of her own, and always numerous foster and rescue Siberians. Anyone who has owned Sibes or knows much about them knows that they can be extreme escape artists. However, my sister took the time and made the effort to make sure all her dogs were in secure, escape-proof yards, and the ones that need to be separated are. She didn't just throw up her hands and chain them up.

I own a twenty-five kennel boarding kennel. I made escape-proof runs. I have nine dogs of my own. My RB Jindo could climb trees and get on roofs. My IG's can get in, on or through just about anything, I swear. I always have a least one or two rescue dogs. I did what I had to do with fences, concrete, etc. to provide a secure yard system for them. No dog of mine has EVER been chained up. I just don't buy the excuses a lot of people give for chaining.

Professional mushers may have a hundred dogs or more, not 8, + fosters or a 25 dog boarding kennel that I can only assume is a for profit business (Im sure you will correct me if my assumption is incorrect, and if I am I apologise).

As long as the mushers dogs are healthy and well socialized, chaining is an economical solution where concrete, fencing, and escape proofing would be cost preventative.

My main problem with chaining is that the dogs arent protected from predators or other wild animals. Over the last few years wolves have been preying on dog yards because there isnt enough wild prey for them to subsist on. Moose getting into dog yards can also do alot of damage to the dogs.

[IRescue452]

I'd rather see them kenneled. Those heavy chains take their toll over the years.

Obviously they are in good physical shape, but what do they have to bond with when isolated 23 hours a day? Its primitive to think animals have no feelings and emotions, just as we used to think animals couldn't see color until recently when we figured out they have rods and cones in their eyes.

Another thought, what if you get in a car crash and die? Who's going to want to adopt an un-houstrained dog? How will 20 dogs not housetrained find homes? You should definately work on house manners with them even if its one at a time. They should also experience things like hard floors and stairs and such. You can't predict your future.

[pomtzu]

I'd rather see them kenneled. Those heavy chains take their toll over the years.

Obviously they are in good physical shape, but what do they have to bond with when isolated 23 hours a day? Its primitive to think animals have no feelings and emotions, just as we used to think animals couldn't see color until recently when we figured out they have rods and cones in their eyes.

Another thought, what if you get in a car crash and die? Who's going to want to adopt an un-houstrained dog? How will 20 dogs not housetrained find homes? You should definately work on house manners with them even if its one at a time. They should also experience things like hard floors and stairs and such. You can't predict your future.

Excellent point. I imagine that's something a lot of people would never think of. Of course - that's JMO!

[redog]

I'd rather see them kenneled

Another thought, what if you get in a car crash and die? Who's going to want to adopt an un-houstrained dog? How will 20 dogs not housetrained find homes? You should definately work on house manners with them even if its one at a time. They should also experience things like hard floors and stairs and such. You can't predict your future.

would you beleive he has already made plans in case something would happen to him? these are show dogs, not chained messes. and deffinately the best representative of the breed. therefore extra care is taken on a daily basis to ensure the best care and attention. ,ive seen many yards and folks who thought they were keeping there dogs safe in kennels have gone to the chain set up you see here in this post. I would for sure rather see his dogs in the house on the couch but these are not that kind of dogs.

and for the negative stuff
I never once saw this thread as anything other than wanting opinions. this is a great forum and i dont understand the animosity tossed around here. someone always has to mention "pt hates pitbulls" or "rabid pitbull people" . just stick to the op or dont respond. OPPINNIONS ON CHAINING not theres one of those threads that i can be an ass on.

[luvofallhorses]

I didn't say people hated 'pit bulls'. I LOVE them not everyone loves the same things. Maybe that's why I get so defensive? So I am sorry about that my love for them will never change and I will never not speak up for them and responsible owners like the OP.

It's not the whole forum that hates them just some people don't care for them and they make that clear in their posts. As for starting controversy, I wasn't!! I have been here for years and you should know by now I am not one to start it and the OP certainly wasn't either. Some things never change. Back to the original topic.

[redog]

I didn't say people hated 'pit bulls'. I LOVE them not everyone loves the same things. Maybe that's why I get so defensive? So I am sorry about that my love for them will never change and I will never not speak up for them and responsible owners like the OP.

It's not the whole forum that hates them just some people don't care for them and they make that clear in their posts. As for starting controversy, I wasn't!! I have been here for years and you should know by now I am not one to start it and the OP certainly wasn't either. Some things never change.

he he i actually was talking in general. I actully love your encouragement and well thought posts. just that most times i stop by something always catches my eye and is in need of a kick in the a**

[Asiel]

Some people cant wait to be offended by an imagined controversy. Ive seen Marty post on other boards and controversy was not his intention IMO with this thread.

Professional mushers may have a hundred dogs or more, not 8, + fosters or a 25 dog boarding kennel that I can only assume is a for profit business (Im sure you will correct me if my assumption is incorrect, and if I am I apologise).
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Musher country out here and none have 100 dogs or more. At the most SOME have 12-15 in case some should be unable to race. None of their dogs are ever chained. They have kennels with well insulated dog houses but never spend 24/7 alone outdoors. They are kept in the house 4-5 at a time so each have their turn and can socialize with the owners. they all eat raw so all are fed outside but that's it. Even properly chained dogs run into accidents if that chain happens to get twisted up and a leg caught in it while the dogs are playing , Not a pretty sight. Any dog will look exuberantly happy if chained outdoors 24/7 and the owner comes out to give them attention. What about the rest of the time, what do they have to keep them mentally stimulated or feel part of a family and loved? JMO also.

[Husky_mom]

I have nothing against chained dogs.. WHEN done properly.. and you seem to have done so

having several dogs in kennels is not always good.. especially if they can´t tolerate each other.. or have dog agression.. in my own case.. I don´t have them chained but my husky girls have to be separated 24/7 or its´blood shed.. literally.. one of them is in a small space, due to my house availability to separate areas.. (they get switched every now and then but still)..

what if i crash and die?.. most likely.. it would take a while for my dogs to adjust to another person.. Ninja is good with kids but you have to be wary as she tends to get overexcited... China would be so freaked out it would take years for her to come out of her shell... just as any other dog.. work would do wonders.. and no, they are not housetrained.. they live outside.. they have food, water, shelter and lotsa love.. when i lived at my parents I wasn´t allowed to get them inside.. and when i moved they would just not do it for their life.. they freak and want out and fast...

if i didn´t had a fenced yard.. nor an option to separate.. I would either not have a dog.. or have it tethered/chained for it´s safety.. sometimes that´s the option you have.. but you have to do it in the RIGHT way

oh... and if you seek for something you´ll find.. I never saw this as a I-want-controversy thread.. if anyone does.. then don´t start it.. IMHO

[Twisterdog]

Some people cant wait to be offended by an imagined controversy. Ive seen Marty post on other boards and controversy was not his intention IMO with this thread..

I didn't quote Marty as starting the controversy, did I? Check my post again.

Ive seen horses confined to stalls for most of their lives, only being let out when their owners wish to work them. Cats being confined to a single room only getting interaction when their owner wishes it. Not the same as being chained to a tree but close...

And that's not right, either. One wrong does not justify another.

Professional mushers may have a hundred dogs or more, not 8, + fosters or a 25 dog boarding kennel that I can only assume is a for profit business (Im sure you will correct me if my assumption is incorrect, and if I am I apologise).

As long as the mushers dogs are healthy and well socialized, chaining is an economical solution where concrete, fencing, and escape proofing would be cost preventative.

My main problem with chaining is that the dogs arent protected from predators or other wild animals. Over the last few years wolves have been preying on dog yards because there isnt enough wild prey for them to subsist on. Moose getting into dog yards can also do alot of damage to the dogs...

I don't live around professional mushers, so I obviously am not an expert on the topic. The person we really need to ask is Glacier. But a hundred dogs? Really? Is that common? Sorry, but I do NOT consider someone who owns a hundred staked-out dogs a good example of why chaining up dog is ok. How can a hundred dogs ever be "well-socialized" when they are chained up alone? Why would anyone ever need to own a hundred dogs to run a sled team? Again, not claiming to be an expert on sled dogs, but that sounds like a terrible situation to me.

[Candy317]

My children fight with each other sometimes. They also make have messy rooms and bad table manner once in a while. Never once did it occur to me to chain them to their beds.

WOAH..apples to oranges there. Your kids might fight, but do they fight till the death? Do you get your human boy neutered because you don't want him to knock up a girl? Sorry not a very good example........dogs shouldn't be treated as humans and kids never should be treated as dogs. Just common sense there.

[Marty]

Marty I'm very interested in you and your dogs way of life before I make my thoughts on chaining. Would you care to indulge me?

Sure I'll answer anything you have to ask, you did ask nicely didn't you?

As far as all the others as to why the are separated have you ever saw two pit bull's fight?

I don't allow it to happen, some people know me all over the world and know what I'm about and starting Sh*t is not one of them

Read this and then cast stone's if you will...

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t38419/

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t36546/

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t39599/

User name Gamedogs over there

My son's blog....

http://www.pit-bull.org/2009/12/pit-bull-containment/

[anna_66]

I guess what I want to know is what's an average day for your dogs. Do they stay on the chain all day? What sort of human interaction do they get daily?

When I think of dogs on a chain I see them outside never getting attention, walked or any of the normal things most house dogs get. Just neglected.

With my dogs they're here in the house with me when they want to be and outside when they want to be. They're constantly being petted, talked to and played with and loved.

[Marty]

I guess what I want to know is what's an average day for your dogs. Do they stay on the chain all day? What sort of human interaction do they get daily?

When I think of dogs on a chain I see them outside never getting attention, walked or any of the normal things most house dogs get. Just neglected.

With my dogs they're here in the house with me when they want to be and outside when they want to be. They're constantly being petted, talked to and played with and loved.

Try this and tell me if it works...

http://www.onetruemedia.com/shared?p...f5&skin_id=601