another Mike Vick thread

[Medusa]

Denial of the Victim: Most dogmen adamantly deny that the dogs are victimized by the culture of dogfighting. The dogs are glorified as fighting machines with insatiable blood-lust.

Ok. So? It seems to me that you've proven our point. They DENY and any further discussion w/them, IMO, is pointless. Let 'em deny it all in prison where they belong and where they can't abuse and kill other helpless animals. Stricter laws and enforcement of those laws and less coddling of celebrities and athletes will help to eradicate abuse, not trying to learn from someone who denies any wrongdoing in the first place.

[Medusa]

I have gone one on one with many dogfighters. not by choice but by my desire to eraticate abusers. I have seen the mess and cleaned it up. what have you done besides what your doing here?

Well then maybe you'd like to tell us here what exactly it is that you've done to "clean up the mess" other than make an open ended remark. I've not seen any news stories that dog fighting has been eradicated unless I've missed something.

[redog]

Dogfighters often see themselves as a misunderstood group, victims of cultural genocide. “Dogfighting is a part of this culture. You don't change culture. It dies but it does not change. Dogfighting, cockfighting, fishing, hunting are all parts of our heritage. We have seen many intruders try to change us, it's always outsiders...but we are just ordinary folk who are different in some ways.


you see people of pet talk, Ive asked all the questions before. I just want to see how ya'll work it here. every one has a cute pet here that lives in a nice warm house, gets good food and vet care. you are less than 10 percent of animal owners

[pomtzu]

I have gone one on one with many dogfighters. not by choice but by my desire to eraticate abusers. I have seen the mess and cleaned it up. what have you done besides what your doing here?

Well what did you do to clean it up? Do you mean that the dog fighters gave up their evil ways because of what you said or did???

You started the thread, asking what people would ask Sick Vick. Normally here, people start a thread - tell what they would do or give an opinion on a certain issue - and then ask for input from other posters. You seem to be working backwards.

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Medusa
this is not going to go away in our lifetime and your not even going to see a dent taken out of it anytime soon. you can sit here and say whatever you want about it but its not doing anything to help. do you want me to post some of my pics of dogs all duct taped up for bait? or the looks on the dogs faces right before theyre put down cuz they had their throats torn out?
Ill tell you what, Ill take care of it with out you. you just take care of what you have and Ill be ok with it

[redog]

Well what did you do to clean it up? Do you mean that the dog fighters gave up their evil ways because of what you said or did???

You started the thread, asking what people would ask Sick Vick. Normally here, people start a thread - tell what they would do or give an opinion on a certain issue - and then ask for input from other posters. You seem to be working backwards.

I asked a question to see if there was anyone here with any input. I also asked to put all hatred and discust aside. but you didnt seem to get that part either

[Karen]

I would talk with Michael Vick. I am capable of holding my temper in check for the sake of a greater good. I would ask him what he thinks can be done to change the "culture" of dog fighting. If he used the claim that "it's just part of our culture," I'd remind him that slavery used to be part of the culture here, too - and we changed that! That child labor used to be part of culture - and we changed that. Just because something is 'part of our culture' does not mean it is good and should be protected. I would also ask him how he initially got into it, and if he has since done any work in the neighborhood he grew up in, in the city he started in, to change and eradicate dog fighting, and if not, I would ask why.

Any opportunity to combat evil is worth it, in my mind.

[pomtzu]

Well - you still can't seem to tell us what you did to clean it up. I didn't realize it was cleaned up.

I'll not continue this since it is getting confrontational. For some reason, there has been an influx of folks from other forums lately, that have come here for the purpose of stirring things up.

I won't be suckered into a situation/argument/debate by these individuals, since no matter what any of the long time members here say, they are wrong.

[Medusa]

Medusa
this is not going to go away in our lifetime and your not even going to see a dent taken out of it anytime soon. you can sit here and say whatever you want about it but its not doing anything to help. do you want me to post some of my pics of dogs all duct taped up for bait? or the looks on the dogs faces right before theyre put down cuz they had their throats torn out?
Ill tell you what, Ill take care of it with out you. you just take care of what you have and Ill be ok with it

I don't need to see pix of what I already know exists. And b/c I see no value in talking w/Vick doesn't mean that I'm complacent either. You seem to like to boast about what you've done but you aren't specific about what it is. I think you like to blow your own horn. Showing pix means nothing. You asked for opinions, you got 'em. If you don't like those opinions, oh well. To denigrate others b/c they aren't in the trenches as you claim to be tells me that you're a legend in your own mind. You don't know anything about me or others that have posted here on PT and your comments are uncalled for and unacceptable. We have as much compassion as you do; we just don't brag that we're out there "taking care of it". Those who talk the most usually do the least. Those who talk the least usually do the most. As for me, I think I'll take the high road and leave this discussion since it hasn't led anywhere.

[redog]

I would talk with Michael Vick. I am capable of holding my temper in check for the sake of a greater good. I would ask him what he thinks can be done to change the "culture" of dog fighting. If he used the claim that "it's just part of our culture," I'd remind him that slavery used to be part of the culture here, too - and we changed that! That child labor used to be part of culture - and we changed that. Just because something is 'part of our culture' does not mean it is good and should be protected. I would also ask him how he initially got into it, and if he has since done any work in the neighborhood he grew up in, in the city he started in, to change and eradicate dog fighting, and if not, I would ask why.

Any opportunity to combat evil is worth it, in my mind.

HOLY COW! Karen you are awesome! thanks for answering my question. I find that alot of people beat around the bush or let their anger or lack of knowledge [ignorance] shine thru when confronted with certain issues. education is the key. but some refuse to get involved and choose to be negative. they wont ever make a difference so I have no use for them. if your not part of the solution then you are part of the problem

[redog]

Well - you still can't seem to tell us what you did to clean it up. I didn't realize it was cleaned up.

I'll not continue this since it is getting confrontational. For some reason, there has been an influx of folks from other forums lately, that have come here for the purpose of stirring things up.

I won't be suckered into a situation/argument/debate by these individuals, since no matter what any of the long time members here say, they are wrong.

good thank you for not responding anymore cause you say nothing and make all kinds of words. and who says because your a long time member means you know anything at all. be quiet and love your dogs. ignorance is bliss and Im not here to talk to ignorant people who need someone to talk too! get a life pomtzu

[redog]

‘Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat’.”

[sasvermont]

I had a feeling, that with this 2nd thread about Vick, it would end up getting ugly.

Where did all these rabid Pit Bull folks come from, and why?

I just don't get it. Why come here and pi$$ off people?

[Karen]

They're not rabid, I promise! And they came from various places, one invited by a long term Pet Talker.

I have *thumped* both parties, and hope it won't happen again!

[redog]

I had a feeling, that with this 2nd thread about Vick, it would end up getting ugly.

Where did all these rabid Pit Bull folks come from, and why?

I just don't get it. Why come here and pi$$ off people?

Haha hey sasvermont! howsit goin? I didnt realize you guys had a rush of rabid pitbull folks showing up here. I hate when that happens. Im more of the abandon kitty and feed the pigeons kind of guy. I just stumbled in on accident and started reading. and the previous vick thread was interesting but of course I wanted yall's input on something else. Im not looking for trouble Im just looking for well thought out, honest input from pet people.