Grrrrr..... I Hate Stupid People.

[apbtmom76]

Below is the response to luvofallhorses -

I didn't take Casey's Mom as being ugly against me or anything else, I am just saying what I feel. And I guess i will just watch where I vent is all, like I said it seems that people here do not take kindly to venting or ranting of any sort unless it is about something they want to hear. It's alright like i said after this round of answering I will be done with this post in particular as I feel that it has run it's course and noone is gonna like what I have to say from now on. It's alright girl, let them say what they want.

stupid lady i would of ask to come over and smooch him

he is adoreable looks very handsome in his camo

Thanks HM, he would have let you too

Isn't Phoenix a workin' dog tye? He's adba right? Chino is not fixed for health reasons until closer to 2 years, and since Loca is adba and going to do weight pull and conformation, she cannot be altered. However I could point out faults in Chino that most bybs would overlook, and would never breed in the first place. Overpopulation makes me sick. With any animal, cat dog or antyhing else

Yes Phoenix is a wroking dog and is not ADBA registered, but registered yes, he cannot be fixed to be in confirmation at all, now to do weight pull yes he could be neutered but I do not breed him and he is a working dog. Why would I want to add to thte thousands of already unwanted dogs and cats in the shelters, I fight BSL for a reason and Phoebe and Phoenix are intact for show and working purposes

I think things have got out of hand a bit yes, however i have been here a very long time, and know most of the posters,who have posted here and i respect them all,as a newbie it probably is a bit hard to take, but people are only voicing their views as they have a right to do here,see it for what you want, but try reading between the lines and see that most of them are just offering advice,and again i can only say this once more, personally i think it is up to YOU to educate people on your dog and breed,especially if you feel your breed is been given a hard time.
I am not a newbie to the forum world, I have my own forum, and yes people are allowed to voice their opinions but I am not, I got smashed for venting, even if I did say the lady was stupid, I NEVER said it to her face nor would I, I do have manners and was raised properly, I'm not a heathen. Advice, you call them all telling me that my dog's collar is to big and how can I put a camo jacket on him, and tewo colars is like I don't have control advice, I'm sorry I don't see it that way, and I didn't really post it for advice, lol. And you know you are RIGHT I should try to educate and I do, everyday, all day, Kids, elderly, ppl my age, older younger, I talk to them all, this lady was already prejudging my dog and myself, her remark said it all.

I can understand that you might feel you are being picked on, and that PT is not the place you thought it was going to be, but you are wrong there,by all means defend yourself ,your dog, but don't take it too much to heart, people mean well, and those who don't well you are best to ignore those.
I am not going to ignore when people call me irresponsible. Sorry I will defend myself to that, I work VERY hard at being a VERY responsible owner. SO yes when people attack my character then I get a bit defensive. lol.

I can tell you are a well rounded,sensible person,and really i am only trying to offer some support and understanding here,i hope you can see that, and not take my post offensively as it is certainly not mean't that way, your friend will know me here i am sure and know that i am not a stirrer.
I do not take it as stirring and I am just answering how I feel is all, and I thank you for your support.

Most of us here are passionate about our pets and what we believe in,and it gets voiced on the threads, sometimes not quite to our liking,we have all been there at times, it does not make PT a bad place, and it is getting a bad rap here in this thread.
And because I have pets and working dogs and love both just as much as you all do I am not considered passionate about my animals because he is unneutered or wears a big collar? I just wanted to share a vent and my happy family of fur,scales, fins here and it was ok til I vented, like I said I will remember to not vent here again

I wish to say WELCOME to PT and I hope you will continue to post about your lovely dog, educate us,make us laugh,make us smile,hopefully not make us cry though,and share in the fun here, learn from others,get advice, give advice,give your opinions,and just enjoy what this special magical place has to offer.

Thanks but as I said, I am nt sure that PT is right for me, I can only educate those who want to be educated and I for sure won't give advice nor opinions but thanks for the welcome I appreciate that

I've been watching the goings on here and I'm not getting into that at all. I don't need the extra stress these days.

Please allow me to say that I think your dog is beautiful and looks very cool in his camo jacket. I am missing my Sasha terribly and had I been in the store and seen you I would have asked if I could pet him. Given my situation, when my divorice is done and I can once again have a house and a dog I am contemplating a pit. I love them and know I could provide a good home. I thank you all for the information on both sides of the fence.

Please give him a big hug and kiss from me.

lol, I didn't need the stress either but I got it, I am sorry you are stressed out and I love your screen name Phoenix says thank you, I think he's pretty sexy, lol. And hwen that time comes if you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask me any questions, I will answer them to the best of my ability and as long as you are strong willed and bodied and pretty outgoing and athletic then yes the APBT breed is a good breed, it will do anything you ask of it, whole heartedly, just to please you to get belly love Phoenix says thanks for the hug and kiss

[apbtmom76]

Funny - but my original reason for posting was to express my distaste of the OP referring to the lady in the store as stupid and a bitch - even tho it was not said to her face.
You know you wouldn't likeme at all then cause I am forever calling people names, oh wait even myself, that's right I cal myself names, I vent a lot and outloud, I have never been so directly rude to someone unless they were rude to me first, ever.

I don't believe that I posted anywhere to the affect that the dog shouldn't have been in the store because of his breed - I simply said that no dog would be allowed in stores in this area unless it was a service dog.

When someone starts out with a bad attitude (I hate stupid people - bad attitude!!!!), you can only expect it to get worse when others express opposition to the OP's increasing hostility. Selective reading really can lead to harsh words and will only continue to escalate and blow the whole issue out of proportion.
That was nt a bad attitude sweetie, that is the way you took it, again i will repeat myself, I won't vent again and I am sorry that I started this thread int he first place, I never meant to piss off or upset anyone by my choice of words. And increasing hostility, I don't think you are correct but ok and I answered everyone's post including yours and I never not once skirted around or selectively answered anything.

Perhaps if the OP had taken the time as SD did - to educate and enlighten - the feeling of ill will would never have gotten to be the main focal point of the thread. Instead, she chose to take everything as a personal assault on herself and on the Pit breed.
Oh my you are too much, I posted to vent and I never took the time because you all had already judged me, and SD came here to defend me and say in words what I obviously was nt able to say for the fact I was defending myself to you people. I only take attacks personal when they are and that is what this turned into.

No one in opposition of the OP, ever bashed her or her dog, but only expressed their opinion/concern on the issue. My concern was not a Pit being in a store, but with being there for no good reason, other than the fact that the owner wanted him there. I would have felt the same if someone walked in with Lassie or Rin Tin Tin, or a cute little ball of fluff. Stores, other than the pet related stores, are no place for dogs. That fact, in no way, is bashing the poster or the breed.

Yes they bashed my dog, his collar and his jacket and his breed, and like I said I took him in because I could there is NOTHING wrong with him being in there, there is no sign no law that says he can't, ok ok I'm done, tired of wasting my breath

[MonicanHonda]

Okay, I am going to say this...

I do not see anyone on here saying that pit bulls are mean vicious animals. We are not uneducated people on here... so do not think we are bashing his breed. We are not STUPID... as some of you may call us.

As for apbtmom and her two friends... you three banding together will not make what everyone else is saying sound like we are talking bad about the breed. I think we know a bit more than you give us credit for. I think part of your problem is automatically assuming the world is out to get you BECAUSE you own a pitbull. It's like you are trying to make a big deal BECAUSE your dog is a pit bull... I thought you wanted breed equality? I think we need to stop blowing this up when it just started on people telling you not to call a lady stupid because you don't know her predicament. We all just need to stop and see that people are not complaining about your breed of choice... it's about the WORDS you use against people... You don't know her... and you don't know why she thinks the way she does... so I don't think you have the right to call her stupid. But I DO believe you never called her a bi**h...

I thought you would be nice and take some constructive criticism.

As for staffydaddy, you are stereotyping against small breeds. Thank you for the posts, but we ARE dog educated here. That is why people join this forum.

I hate to sound like a bi**h... I'm definitely never like this... but I think these things are what is being said and you're turing them to make it sound like we don't know pitbulls... but we do.

[luvofallhorses]

Well... Some of you were pretty harsh. She didn't say it to her face. She was just venting. I'm done with this thread.

[TiffaniP]

I hate when people do that. I have a Rottweiler (only 10 months old). People always ask "Is he mean" or "Will he bite". I've had a lady ask me that, then walk up to a mutt a few minutes later and just start petting the dog without even asking. I understand people being scared of my dog at first because a lot of people do make them mean. They should just find a better way to ask if he is. "Is he friendly" would be a good way. And chances are if someone has their dog at Lowes or anywhere that there are lots of people, the dog wont bite.

[carole]

Tye I for one am glad you have chosen to stay, i know you won't regret your decision although i imagine you are having second thoughts all the same, again WELCOME here and you will find in time what a great place it really is, I feel certain of that.

[apbtmom76]

Thank you Carole

[StaffyDaddy]

I hate when people do that. I have a Rottweiler (only 10 months old). People always ask "Is he mean" or "Will he bite". I've had a lady ask me that, then walk up to a mutt a few minutes later and just start petting the dog without even asking. I understand people being scared of my dog at first because a lot of people do make them mean. They should just find a better way to ask if he is. "Is he friendly" would be a good way. And chances are if someone has their dog at Lowes or anywhere that there are lots of people, the dog wont bite.

That's exactly what im talkin about! Rotties get it too! Anything that has ever carried a stigma gets shunned, even thouroughbred dogs with temperament tests and extensive training, while people will gang around a mutt whose background is unknown, giving it characteristics of god knows how many breeds..

Yes the way people ask their questions affects our answers, or at least our initial thoughts I think. Like "Is he friendly" or "can i pet him" as opposed to "does he bite?" or "is he mean?" I bring my younger pup to my store with me because she's crated when she's not on lead and some lady asked me to pet her, then asked what kind of dog she was, then when I told her, she backs up about three feet (loca was 8 weeks at this point) and she asked me "what are you gonna do when she rips your arm off? it's just a matter of time, son"

Working as a retail manager I couldn't begin to tell her what I really thought about her stupid question...

[*LabLoverKEB*]

I totally agree with Catlady 711.

IMO, it would have been FAR better if you would have said something like, "Actually, most pit bulls are very sweet, they just get a bad rap from the press. He's very nice, and won't hurt you at all. His name is Phoenix. Would you like to pet him?" You always catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. The goal is to educate and inform, not embarass and alienate.

Couldn't agree more.
My mom isn't that fond if pitties- doesn't make her 'stupid'.
As most know, Pit Bulls can be fabulous dogs- IF they are raised in the right environment, and with the right person. As you stated, not all pit bulls are bad. But, unfortunately, they also have the potential to be aggressive when given the right opportunity. This is due to bad breeding and training.

That woman was just uneducated about the breed.

[apbtmom76]

I think it's a matter of educating rather then turning people off to the breed more. If she had not made the comment, and rather educated the women on Pitbulls a little bit and showed her a nice pitty maybe the women would have changed her mind on the subject. Instead, saying a comment may have turned her off more. While I hate breed discrimination, I don't by any means agree this lady was being "stupid". A better phrase for it would have been ignorant or close-minded, but not "stupid". You never know what kind of experience she could have had with dogs in the past, and honestly, walking into Lowe's a dog would be the last thing I'd expect to see. I've never seen a dog in that store before

Mikey is seen as a pitbull to quite a few people, I've gotten it maybe like 3 times - people asking if he's a pit. There's one guy who walks with his kid around the neighborhood and when he sees me and Mikey he goes across the street. I thought that was kinda weird..but I don't know. Maybe the little girl's afraid of dogs or maybe just more ignorance about someone thinking he's a pit and being scared.

As I said stupid can mean a lot of things, so yes to me she was stupid. And there is NO sign that says dogs are not allowed. And I have had that happen on more than one occassion but I just laugh and keep walking with ALL 3 of the big dogs to show them how well behaved a pack of pit bulls can be

Couldn't agree more.
My mom isn't that fond if pitties- doesn't make her 'stupid'.
As most know, Pit Bulls can be fabulous dogs- IF they are raised in the right environment, and with the right person. As you stated, not all pit bulls are bad. But, unfortunately, they also have the potential to be aggressive when given the right opportunity. This is due to bad breeding and training.

That woman was just uneducated about the breed.

a TRUE American Pit Bull Terrier was NEVER meant to be human aggressive, if they showed any signs they should be culled, even at 5 years of age, no matter what, but most of the time it is at birth, people are to soft and think it's ok for a pit bull to be mean to people, they encourage it and you have the underground whorld of street dog fighting, those are the dogs you see inthe news, but YES they do have the potential to be very dog aggressive at any given time.

[apbtmom76]

I love Pheonix and screw what everyone says about him. Just smile and keep walking. I don't the OP is in the wrong, I would have done the same thing.

And he loves his Krista I guess if people knew me they would know I was being tame with the whole situation, lol

I guess that would make me stupid too because I'm deathly afraid of Pits. Not because I've ever had a bad experience myself but because of the media and how some little kids were badly mauled by one. I'm also very unstable on my feet so I know I would never stand a chance against one. Do I hate them? No, of course not, I love all dogs. But I would be just as afraid to pass next to one as that elderly lady was, I probably wouldn't ask the question she did but I would wait till the dog was gone before passing.
I have large breed dogs myself that many people fear because they don't know my dogs, am I offended? Not at all, If someone shows fear regardless of the circumstance I reassure them and move my dogs away from them.

So you hav never thought to educate yourself about the breed, you would rather remain one of the people we fight with BSL, who think that our breed should be banned for what they are, a breed? Well I too am a bit unsteady on my feet as I have a few back problems, Phoenix is with me to be my dog of all trades, lol, he helps me do a lot of things.

I don't know why you guys are defending the older lady. Everyone does that with pit bulls these days and it makes me sad. I would be upset too. Maybe the lady isn't "stupid" I would call her uneducated but still I would never ask if a dog would bite me. She could have went a different way and not be so rude.

I love pit bulls. What if it was your dog the person was afraid of? Maybe you could live in her shoes for a minute and see how upset she was. I am sick of breed discrimination and I doubt that is the first and only lady to say that to her wonderful dogs. To KNOW them is to LOVE them.

is all I will say to that, tahnks Krista, I do try so very ahrd to be a responsible owner and show people the GOOD side of this wonderful breed, I change minds, my crew makes sure of that

[apbtmom76]

People who don't know dogs can be tough to deal with.

I "think" I know something about dogs. I never go near a dog I don't know unless I ask first. No, I don't ask, "will it bite me." I DO ask if the dog is friendly, may I pet it' or "is it OK to pass or would you prefer I go around" or some such.

Not knowing much about dogs, she may just not have known the proper way to ask what she was trying to determine.

I also agree with Catlady711 --
- unknown dog
- older person
- camo jacket
- HUGE collar, leash and choke chain


Don't take it personally. Folks often ask me, "do they bite?" If I am in a mood, I reply "only from the ankles down."
LOVE Karen's suggestion!

Ok so seems he, Phoenix, is being stereotyped for his collar that he has on, Penny, Phoebe and Orion all wear a 1 1/2" collar and Penny has one of tose bully harnesses, does that make her mean, oh yeah she is an epileptic and a certified therapy dog. Phoenix does weight pull and the collar goes with his weight pull harness and lead, and is embroidered with his name on it with ALL of his tags on it.

He only has a huge collar because pit bulls necks are thick.

hahaha this is Neener we are talking about, the dog who pulls 3,300 lbs.