Global warming

[Cinder & Smoke]

Global warming isn't a theory, it is a sad fact.
It exists whether you believe in it or not.

And while the Earth has warmed up and cooled down several times over its history,
from what we can tell, this one is the "fault" of humanity.

It's too bad we can't convince EVERYone that Global Warming IS a FACT;
and needs EVERYone in the World to get together and turn the temperature down.
We seem to *burn* everything in sight - Oil, Coal, Trees, and even our Garbage!

Burn Less ~ Breathe Better.

[kokopup]

Global warming is a fact and putting our head in the sand and coming up with
these conspiracies to deny it is not responsible. Blue you probably still have a
W sticker on your jeep. You sound like you are cut from the same stock anyway. Living in Alaska the proof is all around you. Have you been outside lately.

[Catty1]

Okay, the climate IS changing and causing bad effects.

To heck with whatever is causing it - that argument is a waste of time.

The main point is - WHAT ARE WE DOING/GOING TO DO ABOUT IT????

JMO

[Edwina's Secretary]

Okay, the climate IS changing and causing bad effects.

To heck with whatever is causing it - that argument is a waste of time.

The main point is - WHAT ARE WE DOING/GOING TO DO ABOUT IT????

JMO

JMO...you are wrong to think "to heck with whatever is causing it".

If you cannot determine what is "causing it" you do not know what to do differently.

To solve a problem it is not enough to define the problem - you must also determine "probable cause." Else you will spend time, energy and resources chasing the wrong solution.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Okay, the climate IS changing and causing bad effects.

To heck with whatever is causing it - that argument is a waste of time.

The main point is - WHAT ARE WE DOING/GOING TO DO ABOUT IT????

"What's causing it ... is a waste of time" ????????

The steps in Problem Solving are usually:

1) Identify the problem = Global Warming - the evidence is everywhere

2) Determine the Cause = WHY is the Ice melting and the Planet warming?

3) Knowing the Cause(s) - develop plans to eliminate or minimize the "Causes".

I think determining WHAT's causing the Global Warming is kinda *important*.

/s/ Phred

[Edwina's Secretary]

For example - you define the problem as "the house is too cold".

To heck with the cause!

I'll put in a new furnace.

But the problem is - there is no insulation in the house.

So it is still too cold.

You have bought a new furnace and been cold for three more weeks. With no improvement in the problem. And now you must spend more money and time getting insulation put in the house.

Identification of the cause of a problem is crucial to solving it. The first time.

[Red 46]

I have not posted on here for months... too busy worrying about what Obama is going to CHANGE next and how bad it will be for all of us when it happens. Blue seems to be the only one who has a clue about this 'global warming hoax'. What is the matter with all the rest of you? It is junk science! The REAL scientists have been disputing the whole thing for years now, but the mainstream media will NOT print their results for us to read. Same old same old.....

[blue]

The fact that there is evidence of tropical forests in AK? Yes that was many millions of years ago but it shows that the Earth was once much warmer then it is now. Its also true that back in the 80's we would have had snow on the ground by now, but we now have much more severe and longer cold spells in Jan and Feb then we did back then.

Putting your head in the sand is on both sides of the Globull Warming debate. Its Climate Change and its natural, and its been going on since the begining without our help.

Ill take the scientists and researchers in The Great Global Warming Swindle over Al Gores hot air or the scientists and researchers cashing in on Globull Warming on the billions in grants.

I dont put political stickers on my Jeep, I dont need a lefty nut trashing it.

[Catty1]

What I meant was - to argue whether it is a natural event, or caused by humans, the actions to slow and even reverse it would be the same, no?

I tend to think that it may well be a natural event, but made far more severe by the crap that has been poured into the environment since the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the mid-1800's.

Let's remove all the human factors possible and see if that helps. How can it not?

[pomtzu]

I tend to think that it may well be a natural event, but made far more severe by the crap that has been poured into the environment since the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the mid-1800's.

Let's remove all the human factors possible and see if that helps. How can it not?

Remove the human factors??? - impossible - unless you remove humans!

At best, they might be modified. This would have to be a worldwide cooperative effort, and just one industrial nation and it's people, is not going to make a difference. All - or nothing at all. And which way do you think it would go???

[Edwina's Secretary]

What I meant was - to argue whether it is a natural event, or caused by humans, the actions to slow and even reverse it would be the same, no?

No, the actions to slow or reverse would not be the same. If it is naturally occurring how could you slow or reverse it?

[RICHARD]

Steve Mc Queen would have been a wonderful spokesman for the Global Warning Movement..........


Watch the last five minutes of "The Blob".

[Catty1]

If it IS natural, we could keep working towards cutting CO2 emissions and everything else we are doing. I can't help but think it will have some effect, natural causes or not.

To clarify further, merely arguing about the chicken or egg cause takes energy we could be putting towards cleaning up after ourselves, commercially, internationally, and personally.

[Pembroke_Corgi]

The fact that there is evidence of tropical forests in AK? Yes that was many millions of years ago but it shows that the Earth was once much warmer then it is now. Its also true that back in the 80's we would have had snow on the ground by now, but we now have much more severe and longer cold spells in Jan and Feb then we did back then.

Putting your head in the sand is on both sides of the Globull Warming debate. Its Climate Change and its natural, and its been going on since the begining without our help.

Ill take the scientists and researchers in The Great Global Warming Swindle over Al Gores hot air or the scientists and researchers cashing in on Globull Warming on the billions in grants.

I dont put political stickers on my Jeep, I dont need a lefty nut trashing it.

Why do people like to pick and choose when to "believe" in scientific evidence? We know that our climate has changed over the course of the earth's history due to scientific evidence. Likewise, we know that that it is now warming as result of human activities from scientific evidence.

[Catty1]

"all the human factors possible" I didn't say ALL.