Government run health care

**Marigold2** · 10-14-2009, 02:46 PM

Well you see that addes to the confusion. Why is she so upset about the stats I posted? They had nothing to do with her, they were never aimed at anyone here, they were posted from stats from leading news agencies. Why she got so upset is confusing. I was trying to have an open conversion without people name calling or taking offense.

Originally Posted by caseysmom

Marigold since Cataholic has too much self esteem to boast, I will for her...Cataholic is an attorney, hardly at the poverty level

**caseysmom** · 10-14-2009, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

Well you see that addes to the confusion. Why is she so upset about the stats I posted? They had nothing to do with her, they were never aimed at anyone here, they were posted from stats from leading news agencies. Why she got so upset is confusing. I was trying to have an open conversion without people name calling or taking offense.

Your broad generalizations are insulting to people even if we are not in that particular situation that you are stereotyping, its called empathy...try it sometime it keeps you human.

**Lady's Human** · 10-14-2009, 03:11 PM

1/3 of births are out of wedlock...........

In no way, shape or form does that mean 1/3 of babies are born to mothers on welfare.

**Marigold2** · 10-14-2009, 03:12 PM

Yes I did say that was incorrect unless I find other info.

**Lady's Human** · 10-14-2009, 03:12 PM

As I've mentioned to other posters on here, Marigold, when you find yourself in a hole, the first step you need to take is put down the shovel.

**Cinder & Smoke** · 10-14-2009, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

Marigold, when you find yourself in a hole,

the first step you need to take is put down the shovel.

She got it, LH ...

If you'll notice, she's got the BACKHOE fired up and dirt's a-flyin!

**cassiesmom** · 10-14-2009, 10:20 PM

Can I just rant for a minute?

My primary care physician is affiliated with a big tertiary hospital system. I had to change doctors when my former primary care physician's practice (and all the physicians affiliated with the four hospitals in that system) dropped out of the UnitedHealthcare network. I chose based upon geography.

One specialist is with a different hospital system - again, based on geography and the network.

The other specialist is with yet another hospital system - when I started with him he was in the provider network, but they are dropping out effective 11/1/09.

And I get prescriptions at Walgreens, which is affiliated with none of them, of course.

None of these talk to each other. It is up to me to remember to tell each one what the other one said, and try to keep everything straight. Walgreens is actually a huge help in getting this done. This is a gol-durn pain! Health care reformers --- puhleeze make this easier for me!

**Cinder & Smoke** · 10-14-2009, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by cassiesmom

None of these talk to each other.

It is up to me to remember to tell each one what the other one said,
and try to keep everything straight.

They don't TRY to talk to each other;
nor do they bother to read the NOTE, Letters, and Reports that get passed around.

I have a Cardiologist, a De-Fib Doc (my electrician), and a Kidney Doc.
All in different offices; all practice in the same Hospitals;
and theyall KNOW each other ... heck, they used to do Rounds together
when I was hospitalized.

What one does effects the Other Docs' parts of me ... they NEED to know
what each other is 'doing to me'.
When I see one of 'em, he/she writes a report on the office visit and SENDS
it to the other two. Sounds great --- everybody reads the same page.

And what happens to said report?? A Bean Counter opens it, reads it and
makes the decision (based on who knows what) to either FILE it in my
history file OR send it to the Doc for his/her personal review.

Can't tell you how many times I've visited Doc #1 and asked if he's seen
anything from Docs #2 or #3. The answer is almost ALWAYS that
"NO, haven't seen anything 'lately'."

THEN we peek into my file ... and #1 stumbles upon the Report his office
got and FILED AWAY a month or two ago from #2 or #3.

What's wrong with this picture?

**Daisy and Delilah** · 10-14-2009, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by cassiesmom

Can I just rant for a minute?

My primary care physician is affiliated with a big tertiary hospital system. I had to change doctors when my former primary care physician's practice (and all the physicians affiliated with the four hospitals in that system) dropped out of the UnitedHealthcare network. I chose based upon geography.

One specialist is with a different hospital system - again, based on geography and the network.

The other specialist is with yet another hospital system - when I started with him he was in the provider network, but they are dropping out effective 11/1/09.

And I get prescriptions at Walgreens, which is affiliated with none of them, of course.

None of these talk to each other. It is up to me to remember to tell each one what the other one said, and try to keep everything straight. Walgreens is actually a huge help in getting this done. This is a gol-durn pain! Health care reformers --- puhleeze make this easier for me!

Amen!!!! Elyse, you're so right. This is what bothers me every day.

We try to keep them straight and most of mine act like they really don't care what I'm trying to do. Nothing except paying the bills of course.

**Marigold2** · 10-14-2009, 03:22 PM

My broad generalizations are pulled from the leading news agencies. Do you take offense when reading a Time Magazine a newspaper? There are stats for every economic class, every religon, every ethic group, male, female, gay, straight, old, young, rich, poor and thousands of others. It's a gathering of info that is meant to be shared, studied and hopefully understand that we as a people can gain knowledge and improve. Every soul on this earth belongs to these stats and every one can be offened if they so choose by some of the findings. But why? It is what it is.
Should I take offense at findings that put Germans at fault for something or another. No. What about my religon? If people say something negitive I don't take it personally, they could very well be right. It's not perfect, nothing is.

**caseysmom** · 10-14-2009, 03:25 PM

Its funny how many times you mention your German ancestry on here, I have been a member for years and years and never felt the need to mention my German roots, who cares?

**Lady's Human** · 10-14-2009, 03:31 PM

Statistics can easily be twisted to fit the outcome that the person conducting the is trying to prove. Without the raw data to be able to crosscheck, they're fairly useless.

Time Magazine is hardly a "leading news source". It is a highly editorialized news magazine in which the articles are more editorial than information. They start out with a premise and then gather the data to fit their facts.