Government run health care

[RICHARD]

Docs actualy used to blow smoke up peoples rears. Now our .gov is trying to do the same.

ETA: RICHARD, you "Deserve" maternity leave, and coverage for in vitro fertilization. What else do men need to have insurance for?

Let men carry abortion insurance, men cant get pregnant after all.

I think that ML for men is kooky.

Give them a week and after that, make them take vacation.

Of course, they can be given more ML if the child is ill or needs care because of illness, otherwise get back to work.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Men do not get maternity leave. They get paternity leave under the Family Medical Leave Act. Except in California it is unpaid.

But more to the point, maternity leave, paternity leave have nothing to do with health care or the bills being debated.

I thought you an expert on healthcare?

As for you attitude - typical of someone who has never had children. I notice you don't include if the mother needs additional care.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Give them a week and after that, make them take vacation.

P.S. Employers can and do (even in California) require an employee taking leave - maternity, paternity, or for any other reason, to use up accrued paid time off - vacation, PTO, ETO during the leave.

You can read all the details on the mandatory poster in your place of employment.

[Marigold2]

Men recieving paternity leave is just plan silly. Having a baby is a choice, it is not a disease that is thrown upon one such as cancer. One can choose to save money for three or six months to stay home with the baby. Employers should not have to pay for the man staying home. If a women wants a baby she too should plan ahead and save up vacation time and money so she can add onto her maternity leave. Small employers cannot afford to stay in business otherwise.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Men recieving paternity leave is just plan silly. Having a baby is a choice, it is not a disease that is thrown upon one such as cancer. One can choose to save money for three or six months to stay home with the baby. Employers should not have to pay for the man staying home. If a women wants a baby she too should plan ahead and save up vacation time and money so she can add onto her maternity leave. Small employers cannot afford to stay in business otherwise.

Not to worry! Except in California both maternity and paternity is unpaid. And small employers (less than 50 people in a 75 mile area) do not have to grant maternity or paternity leave at all!

Thank goodness, right!

[blue]

If a male can be required to have insurance for in vitro fertilization, is it really hard to believe he wouldnt get paternity leave under .gov health care?

[Edwina's Secretary]

If a male can be required to have insurance for in vitro fertilization, is it really hard to believe he wouldnt get paternity leave under .gov health care?

Yes.

[blue]

Really, why?

Edit: LH, from what Ive read in Mass they do get IVF coverage.

[Lady's Human]

Men aren't given insurance for IVF.

The Group Policy that the man is a part of may or may not cover IVF. For instance, the BC/BS plan for FEHB includes reproductive services in general, which, being that I'm part of the group, could be construed as my insurance plan covering IVF for men.

All depends on how you parse the words, or, in a more famous statement, it all depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Paternity leave is granted under FMLA, regardless of health insurance status, and as ES has stated, there is no requirement that it be paid leave.