Government run health care

[lizbud]

That's the way it sounds to me. But it doesn't definitively say that all will be affected. Guess we need to do more investigating.

Well, I did read that private insurance costs will go up & employers
will past that along to their employees.Some say could be as much as
20% increase. Some employers might decide to drop insurance altogether.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Liz...See my post above about one of my clients.

Medical up 12% and Worker's Comp medical - even though they have lower experience this year - up 25%

[lizbud]

If it makes you feel any better (it won’t) it is not just retirees getting the squeeze.

I am beginning the insurance renewal for one of my clients. Right now we are looking at a 12% increase in medical premiums.

Employees share the cost of the premiums.

The current economy has been rough on manufacturing companies and with 0% rise in CPI – 0% will probably be what the raises are this year (as in 60% of companies.)

With the help of our broker we may get the increase down to 9% (I hope.) That will include carve outs – insurance speak for reducing benefits.

So people making $9 - $12/hour will pay more for less coverage.

And the company will either have to lay off more people or if possible, pass the increase along to the customer who pass it along until eventually the consumer – you and me – will pay for it.

We pay for each other's medical care one way or the other. Medicare, private insurance, veterans or the uninsured. There are just a whole lot more hands taking something off the top with our current system.

Sorry, I missed this earlier. Costs go up & up for everybody.

[Grace]

Wonder who put these sections in the bill, and how many in Congress are aware of them?

Section 431(a) of the bill says that the IRS must divulge taxpayer identity information, including the filing status, the modified adjusted gross income, the number of dependents, and "other information as is prescribed by" regulation. That information will be provided to the new Health Choices Commissioner and state health programs and used to determine who qualifies for "affordability credits."

Section 245(b)(2)(A) says the IRS must divulge tax return details -- there's no specified limit on what's available or unavailable -- to the Health Choices Commissioner. The purpose, again, is to verify "affordability credits."

Section 1801(a) says that the Social Security Administration can obtain tax return data on anyone who may be eligible for a "low-income prescription drug subsidy" but has not applied for it.

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[blue]

Wonder who put these sections in the bill, and how many in Congress are aware of them?



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They dont care, their healh care isnt affected by this bill.

[lizbud]

Wonder who put these sections in the bill, and how many in Congress are aware of them?



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I don't like the sound of that. I'm going to check around a bit. Grace, if
you spot any more info on this, will you post it here? Thanks.

[lizbud]

The comments on this guy's blog entry( CBS Blog Article) are very
interesting.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-504383_1...in;contentBody

[RICHARD]

[momoffuzzyfaces]

That looks more like the stuff the Home shopping network would sell not QVC.

[lizbud]

Article by Erica Jong, "Don't let the crazy people win this time".


The crazy person always makes the decision, says my husband the divorce lawyer. "If you have two partners--and one is sane and the other crazy--guess who always wins?"

"The one who screams the loudest?" I ask, knowing this because I come from a family of crazy people.

"You betcha."

There are things sane people don't do--like lie, like drag the children into the dispute, like leave for New Zealand with the kids, like rob the joint bank accounts. But the crazy person will do it--and the sane partner is usually left holding the bag. Oh you can sue and sue and sue--but in the end, the kids are wetting their beds, the bank account is gone and the sane partner is on welfare.

That's what I think about the health care ruckus. The Republicans will say just about anything to derail progress. The Democrats are too reticent. Not that they don't have corrupt Blue Dogs with their hands in the pockets of the health care profiteers. They do. But all their talk--and the president's--of compromise is like arguing with a crazy person who will say anything. Forget reasoning. Just push he damn thing through.

OK, I'm not a diplomat or a politician. I haven't got the patience. But it's clear to me that our country's lack of a public option is bankrupting businesses and families. Not only does our tiny one-writer, one-lawyer business pay fortunes for health care for our assistants, housekeeper and ourselves, but any time the health care company makes a mistake, we pay anyway for fear of being cancelled.

Just pay, our broker says--if you hold back your check, they'll cancel you. So for six months last year, I paid full coverage for a fired assistant--though the broker gave me erroneous information.

Companies with 25 employees, not one, are responsible for paying health insurance for a worker who's been fired after six months. The broker was wrong. Blue Cross or Aetna or Oxford--I forget which--held our money for six months and then refused to refund the correct amount. I'm still asking for it. This is what monopolies do.

I'm a lucky cuss--good earning power and a spouse with good earning power--but the health care giants answer to no one. Why should they? They have cornered the market. Unless there is a competing option, they will continue to act like the eight hundred pound gorilla who sits wherever he wants.

This is common sense, not rocket science. If there were no competition in the clothing business, we'd all have to pay $300 for jeans--not just fashionistas. Competition is vital. Especially when life and death are at stake.

So come on Dems, get with the program. We need a public option--or we're gonna have to start a new political party with guts. We could call it the Healthy Party. Or we could move to Canada--or Ireland or Italy or France. We could move almost anywhere and get health care without breaking the bank. What's wrong with the US? The crazy people make the decisions--on health, on guns, on wildlife, on the environment. What stupidity. There's a helluva good universe next door--let's go. (With apologies to ee cummings, who knew insanity when he saw it).

[Medusa]

What Jong, Mahr and those of that ilk refuse to recognize is that the attempt to "push the damn thing through" is what is making people so angry. Then to add insult to injury she calls those who disagree crazy. I've never seen name calling win an argument or enhance a discussion yet. It only serves to fan the flames of an already heated debate. Forget reasoning? Just push it through? Tactics of a bully.

[RICHARD]

Article by Erica Jong, "Don't let the crazy people win this time".



That's what I think about the health care ruckus. The Republicans will say just about anything to derail progress. The Democrats are too reticent. Not that they don't have corrupt Blue Dogs with their hands in the pockets of the health care profiteers. They do. But all their talk--and the president's--of compromise is like arguing with a crazy person who will say anything. Forget reasoning. Just push he damn thing through.

I wonder if the esteemed writer would care to push 1100 pages of paper where the sun don't shine.

Adult, please.

Here is a "writer" who knows the value of reading a tome that has a beginning, middle and end, but has no idea as to how disjointed the HCR/HCI reads.

What an insult to all the 'crazy people' who are questioning a bill that will eff the whole country once and for all.

It's quite all right when morons like Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan get up and start yelling during a hearing-where they were not invited to speak, but when people are invited to speak at a hearing and are properly pi$$ed off about a bunch of 'fools on the Hill' they are labeled as the crazy ones?

She is right about the Dem party being reticent. They are the 'sheeple' that just want to go ahead with any stupidity with no forethought or fight.

Just push he damn thing through.

LOL, that is as stupid a thought as a man in a Labor and Delivery room whispering into his wife's ear telling her the same sentence.

And years later the kid turns out to be another Jeffrey Dahmer.

The man don't give a flying shiat because it's not his pelvis getting the ligaments pulled out of shape.

Jong is another idiot that never showed up on my radar screen-Fear of Flying?

No, just way too stupid to get on the plane.

[Puckstop31]

Forget reasoning? Just push it through? Tactics of a bully.

Its how the President and those people he chooses to surround himself with do business. Its how he and Rahm Immanuel always have done business. "Chicago Style"


It is sad for our country to have to go through this, but it is slightly entertaining to listen to our "leaders" starting to come apart at the seams. "The Peasants" are not supposed to speak up and cause this much ruckus. More people are speaking up everyday. So the more talking heads who insult people for speaking up... Its a win for the people.

There is a reason our country is different from most of the rest of the world. We are starting to see why again.

[lizbud]

Elections have consequences. The Democratic Party ran on this issue,
among others & they should just admit that Repubs refuse to make any
effort to be bipartisan in finding a answer to any of the many problems
we should be working to solve. They are not called the party of NO for
nothing.

I believe the Dems should remember who elected them & why. Get a grip
and pass the D*** Health Bill.

[RICHARD]

Elections have consequences. The Democratic Party ran on this issue,
among others & they should just admit that Repubs refuse to make any
effort to be bipartisan in finding a answer to any of the many problems
we should be working to solve. They are not called the party of NO for
nothing.

I believe the Dems should remember who elected them & why. Get a grip
and pass the D*** Health Bill.

The dems made promises and they were going to get anything they wanted because they control the house. Go ahead, do what YOU want and pray that people are too stupid to put up a protest.

I am against 'secret ballots'. I think that people who vote either way should be tattooed an shown the proper amount of scorn for their choices.

Then try to make excuses.