What is in the HCR Bill.

[Karen]

Um, blue, there is no single HCR bill. There are several proposals, the media keeps referring to it as the HCR bill, but as far as I can tell, there's no one thing.

My folks always taught me to learn all you can and trust no single source.

[blue]

Um, blue, there is no single HCR bill. There are several proposals, the media keeps referring to it as the HCR bill, but as far as I can tell, there's no one thing.

My folks always taught me to learn all you can and trust no single source.

I posted the HCR bill thats being floated and it is from a .gov website.

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...ext-071409.pdf


Feel free to post the other HCR bills being floated, and any analysis of them.

If PBS.com is proposing a HCR bill does that negate the one posted by .gov? How about a HCR bill proposed by the Huffington Post? No it doesnt, because .gov is the ones writing the bill.

At least the Patriot Act focused on non Americans, this bill focuses on Americans and American businesses.

So Karen if you have link/s to other HCR bills in the house or senate post them because those are the only 2 sources for bills.

[lizbud]

I posted the HCR bill thats being floated and it is from a .gov website.

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...ext-071409.pdf


Feel free to post the other HCR bills being floated, and any analysis of them.

If PBS.com is proposing a HCR bill does that negate the one posted by .gov? How about a HCR bill proposed by the Huffington Post? No it doesnt, because .gov is the ones writing the bill.

At least the Patriot Act focused on non Americans, this bill focuses on Americans and American businesses.

So Karen if you have link/s to other HCR bills in the house or senate post them because those are the only 2 sources for bills.

What you have posted is not a House Bill.It doesn't even have a Bill #
attached. It's a bare bones skeleton of a proposed , but not yet submitted
for consideration.

I'd like to know who wrote the "explanations" for each of the proposed
sections of the "bill".

[blue]

The USPS is propped up by federal funds?

Where?

By blocking Fed Ex and UPS from doing the same job as USPS. If all you want to do is defend USPS maybe we should start another thread.

What you have posted is not a House Bill.It doesn't even have a Bill #
attached. It's a bare bones skeleton of a proposed , but not yet submitted
for consideration.

I'd like to know who wrote the "explanations" for each of the proposed
sections of the "bill".

HR 3200. Over 1000 pages is not a bare bones skeleton.

If you had clicked the link you would have found out who wrote the analysis of HR 3200.

[Lady's Human]

There is no monolithic proposal.

Nothing has been brought to the House floor for vote, and the proposals haven't even cleared the committees completely. The House and Senate haven't passed any legislation, and if they do, the bills go to conference committee for reconciliation. Until that happens, there is no monolithic "Health Care Reform" bill.

As to the USPS, you're the one who included it in the thread.

Attack an agency without facts, and it's going to be answered with facts.

Fed Ex and UPS deliver in a year what the USPS delivers in a day. There's just no comparison, especially when they (Fed Ex and UPS) have the luxury of dumping parcels they don't want to deliver or can't deliver on time into the USPS mailstream.

We have to deliver to every address 6 days a week, even if it's a lone farmhouse 2 miles from anywhere. They don't.

[blue]

There is no monolithic proposal.

Nothing has been brought to the House floor for vote, and the proposals haven't even cleared the committees completely. The House and Senate haven't passed any legislation, and if they do, the bills go to conference committee for reconciliation. Until that happens, there is no monolithic "Health Care Reform" bill.

HR 3200, I allready linked it. Why is Barry pushing for a vote if there is nothing to vote on? HR 3200. Why all the THMs on HCR if there isnt anything to have a meeting on? Why are representatives saying they cant comment because they havent read the 1018 pages of proposed legislation in HR 3200?

As to the USPS, you're the one who included it in the thread.

I quoted Obama, email him about Fed Ex Vs USPS. If you want to continue start a new thread. This thread is about HCR, mainly HR 3200, not USPS Vs Fed Ex/UPS.

[Lady's Human]

Again, funny, I didn't know you were a moderator. Last time I checked, those positions were spoken for.

You used the quote, you thought it appropriate, YOU made it part of the thread. Not I.

[lizbud]

There is no monolithic proposal.

Nothing has been brought to the House floor for vote, and the proposals haven't even cleared the committees completely. The House and Senate haven't passed any legislation, and if they do, the bills go to conference committee for reconciliation. Until that happens, there is no monolithic "Health Care Reform" bill.

Thanks LH. You explained it well. Actually you explained the USPS
system vs Fed Ex ,UPS systems too.

[Catty1]

Another quote from the POTUS on HCR:

http://www.canadaeast.com/front/article/756004

(excerpt from article)

On a separate issue, Obama cracked a joke in Canada's direction.

He warned that Canada would continue to serve as a whipping boy in the highly charged U.S. debate over the future of health care, which has seen town hall meetings erupt into scuffles this summer.

Warnings about the danger of adopting "Canadian-style socialized medicine" are a ubiquitous refrain among critics of Obama's intended reforms.

"I suspect that you Canadians will continue to get dragged in by those who oppose reform - even though I've said nothing about Canadian health-care reform," Obama said.

"I don't find Canadians particularly scary, but I guess some of the opponents of reform think they make a good bogeyman."

Obama wants to extend health coverage to all Americans and allow for greater public-sector involvement alongside the current network of privately run insurance companies.

He said Americans are spending too much money on health care, with results that are too poor, and that too many families are being bankrupted by health bills because they don't have coverage.

But he quickly added that Canada's model - the single-payer public system - bears little relationship to the system he wants to create.

Obama repeated his frequent refrain that the U.S. health system evolved as a privately run entity over the decades, and there's no reason to move it in a radically different direction now.

But his legion of conservative critics argue that Obama's plan will ultimately kill the private insurance industry, increase government spending, and result in higher taxes. Just like Canada.

Harper steered clear of the debate.

When asked whether there were any elements of the Canadian system worth emulating, he merely replied: "Canadians support their own health-care system. As for the rest of this question my only answer is that this is an American debate, and the responsibility of the provinces."

Harper's obvious reluctance to sing the praises of Canada's medicare system stood in stark contrast to NDP Leader Jack Layton, who spent two days in Washington last June talking up Canadian health care with White House officials and members of Congress.

[blue]

In reference to the above.........




Of course, when confronted with facts, run away, just as you accuse others of doing.

Pot.....the kettle is calling.

Hi Pot, this is Kettle, your black, go lay down. All you want to do in this thread is USPS USPS USPS. You havent given any facts!

You seem to have a problem that the POTUS dissed the USPS and that I quoted him on it, why? Yes I was mistaken when I posted that USPS is federaly funded, but at the same time FE and UPS cannot directly compete with USPS. You also pointed out all the problems the USPS has via federal laws. Ill ask you again do we want that type of bureaucracy in charge of our Health Care? THis time I await your answer, after all this thread is about health care reform not YOU and the USPS USPS USPS.

HR 3200, direct link to the Library of Congress for Bills and Resolutions, http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.3200:

What do you have that shows that HR 3200 is not being considerred by the Congressional Branch? Again I await your answer.

Thanks LH. You explained it well. Actually you explained the USPS
system vs Fed Ex ,UPS systems too.

Where did he do that? UPS and Fed Ex cannot by Federal law directly compete with USPS.