What is in the HCR Bill.

[Lady's Human]

And what's one of the reasons UPS and Fed-ex are doing so well (actually, they aren't but that's another story)?

The USPS delivers their packages in areas that they find it unprofitable to do so.

[Karen]

Um, blue, there is no single HCR bill. There are several proposals, the media keeps referring to it as the HCR bill, but as far as I can tell, there's no one thing.

My folks always taught me to learn all you can and trust no single source.

[blue]

Um, blue, there is no single HCR bill. There are several proposals, the media keeps referring to it as the HCR bill, but as far as I can tell, there's no one thing.

My folks always taught me to learn all you can and trust no single source.

I posted the HCR bill thats being floated and it is from a .gov website.

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...ext-071409.pdf


Feel free to post the other HCR bills being floated, and any analysis of them.

If PBS.com is proposing a HCR bill does that negate the one posted by .gov? How about a HCR bill proposed by the Huffington Post? No it doesnt, because .gov is the ones writing the bill.

At least the Patriot Act focused on non Americans, this bill focuses on Americans and American businesses.

So Karen if you have link/s to other HCR bills in the house or senate post them because those are the only 2 sources for bills.

[lizbud]

I posted the HCR bill thats being floated and it is from a .gov website.

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...ext-071409.pdf


Feel free to post the other HCR bills being floated, and any analysis of them.

If PBS.com is proposing a HCR bill does that negate the one posted by .gov? How about a HCR bill proposed by the Huffington Post? No it doesnt, because .gov is the ones writing the bill.

At least the Patriot Act focused on non Americans, this bill focuses on Americans and American businesses.

So Karen if you have link/s to other HCR bills in the house or senate post them because those are the only 2 sources for bills.

What you have posted is not a House Bill.It doesn't even have a Bill #
attached. It's a bare bones skeleton of a proposed , but not yet submitted
for consideration.

I'd like to know who wrote the "explanations" for each of the proposed
sections of the "bill".

[blue]

The USPS is propped up by federal funds?

Where?

By blocking Fed Ex and UPS from doing the same job as USPS. If all you want to do is defend USPS maybe we should start another thread.

What you have posted is not a House Bill.It doesn't even have a Bill #
attached. It's a bare bones skeleton of a proposed , but not yet submitted
for consideration.

I'd like to know who wrote the "explanations" for each of the proposed
sections of the "bill".

HR 3200. Over 1000 pages is not a bare bones skeleton.

If you had clicked the link you would have found out who wrote the analysis of HR 3200.

[Lady's Human]

There is no monolithic proposal.

Nothing has been brought to the House floor for vote, and the proposals haven't even cleared the committees completely. The House and Senate haven't passed any legislation, and if they do, the bills go to conference committee for reconciliation. Until that happens, there is no monolithic "Health Care Reform" bill.

As to the USPS, you're the one who included it in the thread.

Attack an agency without facts, and it's going to be answered with facts.

Fed Ex and UPS deliver in a year what the USPS delivers in a day. There's just no comparison, especially when they (Fed Ex and UPS) have the luxury of dumping parcels they don't want to deliver or can't deliver on time into the USPS mailstream.

We have to deliver to every address 6 days a week, even if it's a lone farmhouse 2 miles from anywhere. They don't.

[blue]

There is no monolithic proposal.

Nothing has been brought to the House floor for vote, and the proposals haven't even cleared the committees completely. The House and Senate haven't passed any legislation, and if they do, the bills go to conference committee for reconciliation. Until that happens, there is no monolithic "Health Care Reform" bill.

HR 3200, I allready linked it. Why is Barry pushing for a vote if there is nothing to vote on? HR 3200. Why all the THMs on HCR if there isnt anything to have a meeting on? Why are representatives saying they cant comment because they havent read the 1018 pages of proposed legislation in HR 3200?

As to the USPS, you're the one who included it in the thread.

I quoted Obama, email him about Fed Ex Vs USPS. If you want to continue start a new thread. This thread is about HCR, mainly HR 3200, not USPS Vs Fed Ex/UPS.

[lizbud]

There is no monolithic proposal.

Nothing has been brought to the House floor for vote, and the proposals haven't even cleared the committees completely. The House and Senate haven't passed any legislation, and if they do, the bills go to conference committee for reconciliation. Until that happens, there is no monolithic "Health Care Reform" bill.

Thanks LH. You explained it well. Actually you explained the USPS
system vs Fed Ex ,UPS systems too.

[blue]

And what's one of the reasons UPS and Fed-ex are doing so well (actually, they aren't but that's another story)?

Care to show that Fed Ex And UPS arent doing well?

The USPS delivers their packages in areas that they find it unprofitable to do so.

USPS is talking about closing branches, reducing services, and postage rates are still rising, I wouldnt call that a success by .gov.

[Lady's Human]

Blue, very simply, unless you work in, around, or for the USPS and are aware of the morass of federal laws mandating what we do, it's impossible to explain, which is a major part of the problem.

Add to it the fact that management is promoted strictly from within, and you have damned few competent craft employees who will go into management because of all the garbage from above.

Hell, we have senior management in the USPS who can't even get the answers to simple questions correct, for instance, are Postal Employees Federal Employees or not.

When the execs running the show can't even answer that correctly, there's a problem.

We're in the communications business, but we can't even explain to the general public how the system works.

Take the contracts for the USPS away from Fed-Ex and UPS and see where their balance sheets settle. Your package prices would be a touch higher than they are now.

[blue]

Blue, very simply, unless you work in, around, or for the USPS and are aware of the morass of federal laws mandating what we do, it's impossible to explain, which is a major part of the problem.

Add to it the fact that management is promoted strictly from within, and you have damned few competent craft employees who will go into management because of all the garbage from above.

Hell, we have senior management in the USPS who can't even get the answers to simple questions correct, for instance, are Postal Employees Federal Employees or not.

When the execs running the show can't even answer that correctly, there's a problem.

We're in the communications business, but we can't even explain to the general public how the system works.

Take the contracts for the USPS away from Fed-Ex and UPS and see where their balance sheets settle. Your package prices would be a touch higher than they are now.

If USPS cant answer even simple questions to their own employees, do we want the same type of bureaucracy applied to our health care?

[Lady's Human]

As far as the Postal Service being a Government success or failure, it's neither.

The USPS in it's current incarnation is a Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac type entity.

It is a private entity, operating under federal law, using federal employees which cannot make a profit, but isn't supposed to show a loss, either.

[blue]

As far as the Postal Service being a Government success or failure, it's neither.

The USPS in it's current incarnation is a Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac type entity.

It is a private entity, operating under federal law, using federal employees which cannot make a profit, but isn't supposed to show a loss, either.

Obama made the comparison not me. Either way Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac failed under gov mandates. The USPS is propped up by federal funds/mandates as far as I can tell.

If you allready have health insurance fine, have it. I just dont want whats in the HCR bill forced on me.

[Lady's Human]

The USPS is propped up by federal funds?

Where?